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England- planning local trains and buses

Am planning an 8 day train trip to villages between London and the Lake District and back. May or September, two people over 70. Two or three stops at B&Bs.

Can you use trains in 'hop on, hop off" mode, to spend a few hours to walk around an interesting village? What kind of tickets would affordably allow that? How far in advance must it be booked to save?

We will be staying in towns, not cities. Is there a central national schedule for town to town bus service for all of England? Or do you have to look it up by region, like the Lake District?

And as popular and spread out as the Lake District is, are there local trolleys to take you around?

Thanks much

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We usually get Britrail passes when we go to the UK. You have to do the math to determine if or how much of a savings it is. However, one thing we really like about having the pass is you can use "hop on, hop off" mode. And now with all the luggage storage apps, it's easier than ever to get off for a few hours, stash your luggage and explore.

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If you google "England County Transit maps" the overview suggests that local transit maps are done county by county. usually by county councils and regional transit administrations. Try identifying the counties in which your AirBnB's are located and see what maps you can find. I have researched this for a future Devonshire visit to my grandmother's home town. An example: https://www.traveldevon.info

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Check out the Two Together Railcard for a cost of 35 pounds. It will save you 1/3 on rail fares for you AND the person you travel with...the consistent person with whom you travel. :) When you book your point-to-point train fares, you can indicate you will have the card and then buy the card closer to your travel dates....either the one through the app or a physical one from a train station. You will need two passport-type pictures.

Some tickets have a standard fare whether you buy them months in advance or the day of. I like to visit the actual website of National Rail line I'd be using, but you could also visit trainline.com to get an idea if the prices of tickets you may want are consistent over the months.

The Rick Steves book on England does delve into the Lake District circuit of towns...my sister depended on that information when she was in that area a few years ago. Have a great time!

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A useful resource for buses across Britain is https://bustimes.org/

Some more details on exactly where you intend to go would help us provide better answers. Some towns are bigger than cities, and trains often don't get you to villages.

As for train tickets, the cheapest are often the least flexible - you can't hop off/hop on, on the same ticket, you would need multiple tickets https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/tickets-railcards-and-offers/ticket-types/

As for trolleys in British English, they are what you use at a supermarket.

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For buses the national travel planner is traveline- https://www.traveline.info/

However, and it's a big however, that has become unreliable. It seems to be missing a fair amount of recent service registration data, so is missing services, or has out of date times.
Even at County level in the Lake District, the professionals are struggling to resolve that with Traveline.

The issues are not confined to the Lake District, I've had problems throughout the South and West of England- one issue was reported yesterday on a frequent service in Kent where data is incomplete. I've missed connections due to traveline and the associated bustimes.org website.

Southern Vectis (on the Isle of Wight) used to do a national book- long since ceased, but still a valuable broad reference tool.

Best to come up with a general plan- using Traveline as a broad planner- then it can be sense checked/refined here.

Likewise on bus tickets- there is no national list, but there are some superb value examples- like the Stagecoach daily and weekly tickets in the northwest of England (covers Chester/Manchester to Newcastle and Dumfries in one ticket) or the Blazefield group of companies in Yorkshire- one system wide ticket covers Whitby/Scarborough to Manchester and Preston. At some places it meets the Stagecoach ticket.

In the South of England there is a ticket which covers all buses and operators from Portsmouth and Salisbury to Canterbury (and the whole of Kent) or Heathrow and Gatwick airports, as another example.

The Lake District, as the average tourist sees it, is pretty compact unless you are getting off the beaten track. But yes there are many routes, and more coming on stream. The summer Lake District timetable book is now issued- but will become dated quite fast as the new routes are added, and other routes enhanced during the year. Moreover it has never included all services, with some glaring omissions like the 525 cross lakes shuttle and the Kendal Town services- such as the Oxenholme Station shuttle bus.
In fact it is probably dated before it's period of validity starts.

The value of a book is you see routes you wouldn't have even thought of- like a new Grasmere to Ullswater direct bus avoiding Keswick- once a day but still useful in the right circumstances.

On the trains there are some wonderful value regional rail rover and ranger tickets- see https://www.railrover.org

In the Lake District we have a brilliant local day ticket called the Lakes Day Ranger- which is a multi modal ticket (train, bus and Windermere steamers). Stagecoach have a variety of multi modal day tickets for the buses, and the boats on the various lakes (Windermere, Ullswater and Coniston).

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It might be a good idea to take a look at the National Rail Map and this version is one of the better ones in my opinion. Ignore the orange line going London to Birmingham as that is a high speed line under construction.

For short trips, people just show up at a station and pay on the day and often have pre paid tickets loaded on their phones or printed at home. At main stations, you can simply buy from a clerk or from a machine. For longer trips, people tend to pre book specific trains with Advance Tickets as just showing up on the day can be much more expensive.

You might wish to choose a suitable hub for 2 or 3 days stay and then visit interesting places in that area rather than keep moving about every day.

This site tells you more about train travel in Britain:> https://www.seat61.com/train-travel-in-britain.htm