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England in May-itinerary comments and ideas for 1 week, please

I would like comments on tentative itinerary and especially suggestions for our additional week outside of Greater London. My brain is trying to wrap around the reality that our trip is much closer than I’m admitting. I’m Princess Procrastination with a little New Year brain fog. Perhaps it’s perfectionism paralysis, and I just need to make the decision. We do expect to return! I appreciate perspective provided by anyone who wades through my ramble.

My husband (72) and I (66) will go to England in May. We will split just over a week total in the London/day trips and will have a week left for our ‘plant ourselves in a village and day trip’ location. Public transportation in London. Car rental at location, or vicinity of weeklong location. My DH has over 5000 m UK/Ire driving under his belt, and we want to drive while we can.
We’ve seen many major London sights, and have visited Bath, Durham, Cardiff, Cornwall, the Cotswolds, York, and several ancestral villages in Essex, Cambridgeshire, & Suffolk. Of course, all have many more treasures to discover.
Initially, I was seduced by Mardee’s planning of her visit in Yorkshire area. Since we’d already identified that as a possible location for future focus, we figured we would spend some time in London then head up to do some All Creatures Great & Small touring (self or group) along with other villages. We also thought some friends (with roots in that area) might join us. Turns out, they won’t.
*****Now, I’m wondering if there’s another area that we should consider for a spring trip instead of Yorkshire at this time. Would there be another area to maximize the visual delights of spring, since probably most future visits will be fall, winter, or earlier spring??
We like quaint villages/towns, markets in villages/towns, bookstores, history, cathedrals & churches, gardens (especially me), ancestral locations, old stones, charity/vintage shops/vintage/city markets? (me:).

My husband would like to return to the British Museum, Westminster Abbey, and St. Paul’s, with the museum being the most important. (My husband wants to climb St. Paul’s, but we need to be in better shape. We did climb the Arc de Triomphe in 9/22, which has a few more stairs than to the Whispering Gallery.)
*****Does anyone know how the size of St Paul’s stairs compare with those in Arc de Triomphe? In the photo, they look wider than other castles or cathedrals we’ve climbed; I can’t tell the depth.
We plan to day trip to Canterbury. We would also like to visit the Imperial War Museum, and I’d be happy visiting a gallery or two. Though we feel museums and galleries would also be good to visit during a winter trip. It’s possible we will go our separate ways for a morning or afternoon in London.

Here’s what we have so far:
Saturday, May 4– 8:30 AM - flights from local airport to Seattle; Seattle to Denver to Heathrow
Sunday, May 5 – arrive in UK 10:35 AM
Go into London (National Express). Walk. Check in to hotel early if possible. Eat. Wander and see what we can see.
Probably too late for 3 PM Evensong at W Abbey..
Monday, May 6 – Walking & wandering London choosing one or two of the following: Imperial War Museum, St. Paul’s? (cooler to climb stairs than later in month), W Abbey (maybe Evensong), British Museum? *****Do we want to avoid all of these because it’s a holiday, or will they be less busy than a week and a half closer to the summer?

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I have reservations for the Premier Inn near Kew Gardens, as I originally thought we would visit Richmond/Kew Gardens on our first 2 days after flight. However, our son is gifting us a couple of nights with Hyatt points, so I plan to cancel the PI to stay in London at one of the Hyatts for Sun & Mon I have identified available ones in central London. If our flight is somehow messed up, at the last minute too late to cancel, at least we wouldn’t be out $$. So, providing we can get reservations in the next couple of days, we will start with a couple of nights in London.

Tuesday, May 7 – Check out of Hyatt hotel. Travel to TBD - week of ‘plant ourselves and day trip’
Tuesday, May 7– Tuesday, May 14 - Accommodations in 1 or 2 Locations--TBD. Perhaps schedule a group tour or busy museum, but mostly have a rough outline of activities for the vicinity. Visit small villages, walk, relax, etc.
Tuesday, May 14, PM – London. Reservations at PI – County Hall through Tuesday, May 21 AM (Plan to cancel Sunday and Monday nights)
**Wednesday (Hampton Court) Thursday (markets & London museums/cathedrals/Canterbury/Cambridge?) Friday (markets/museums/Cambridge—Br Museum late?) Saturday (markets/London, matinee/Canterbury?)

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Sunday, May 19**** – Early AM, take luggage (tube) to Kew hotel (Coach & Horses- Reservations made) Maybe a couple of hours at Kew Gardens (get membership in advance). Boat trip from Kew Pier to Westminster (need to reserve 12 noon). 6 PM Abba Voyage show. Back to Kew for Sunday & Monday nights*****
Monday, May 20 – Visit Kew Gardens at 8 AM. Visit Richmond
Tuesday, May 21 – Visit Richmond. Depending on luggage storage, head to airport after supper.
Tuesday PM – Sofitel Hotel, Terminal 5; reserved.
Wednesday, May 22 – 9:55 AM flight to US

As you can see, I’m still trying to decide on the London specifics. We’ve contemplated seeing Player Kings but not sure we’re up for sitting for 4 hours of theatre, and we’d prefer a matinee which means a Wednesday or Saturday. There were decent tickets last week, but we may want to just take our luck at last minute tickets for any show if we feel like it some night.
We could also head up to Bury St. Edmunds area (haven’t been to BSE or Norwich cathedral) for our extra week and visit Cambridge while we’re in the region. I visited Cambridge spring 45 years ago and remembered beautiful trees in bloom, but my husband hasn’t been (other than a day at the Cambridge records office/archives in 2018😊). We have visited many of my ancestral villages between Cambridge and Peterborough, as well as Chelmsford and Ely cathedrals. Have visited ancestral village of Stradbroke, Suffolk. We could save Cambridge for another trip, so we have more time in London. Hampton Court is a must, as is Canterbury. If my cousin is available, we may try to connect for a drink or meal. I may be satisfied with charity shops over markets. Unfortunately, I know we need to decide so we can reserve tickets and not just decide our days on a whim.

*******What are the Pros/Cons of Yorkshire vs Norfolk/Suffolk this time in early to mid-May? Is it better to save Norfolk/Suffolk for more off-season than Yorkshire?
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***Is there another area we should be considering?
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*****Do I stick with my original plans to stay in Richmond/Kew at the beginning of our trip and stay in a London Hyatt the last 2 nights? I think I ended up switching the nights because it was harder to find Hyatt hotel rooms (to take points) available at the end of the trip, and I liked the looks of the Coach & Horses in Kew, which is not available at the beginning of our trip. It also seems like spending the last 2 days in Richmond and Kew would be more relaxing for the end of our trip than a couple of days in London.
I really appreciate any feedback.
Cheryl

Updated tentative itinerary in comments

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My first thought is that if Norfolk/Suffolk is important to you for personal reasons grab the opportunity with both hands. Everything will be open for the summer, the weather should be great and the timing is in between the two public holidays in May, so not overly busy.

If I was in your shoes with genealogy there, I wouldn't even think about it, just book it.

If the plane is on time, or even early timing on arrival day should be spot on for Abbey evensong.

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Thank you, Stuart. I think my mumbling may not have expressed what I was wondering...Would it be better to go north to Yorkshire when warmer--May, and Norfolk/Suffolk when earlier/later in the year since it's further south. Maybe we just need to do more trips in May, or bite the bullet and do another June trip.

I don't know that I can find anything more than Stradbroke (for ancestors) in Suffolk. I know they petitioned the parish for $ to go to Canada in 1850, and we visited Great Yarmouth from where they sailed. But maybe it would be pleasant to just 'feel' the area more than our previous 1 night/day visit. Lavenham looks lovely, but we didn't get there because we spontaneously went on to Great Yarmouth for a night when we learned of the sailing.

I do need to get back to my ancestry research for both my Baldwin (Stradbroke) and Scott families. In 2018 we stayed in Monk Fryston for a few days as a Scott ancestor was purportedly born there (and I now remember another was from Leeds--which we haven't visited.)

When I posted this thread, I had 11:30 as our arrival at Heathrow. My my husband came home and asked if I'd seen the latest update today. We'll arrive at 10:35 instead, so that gives us more time to get into London and make it to Evensong. As I read the website, we queue and hope to get in (no tickets) for Evensong.

Thanks.

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Ahh, just read the updates (including yours, Stuart) on the James Herriot thread. Hard to choose where to visit this time...

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That's really interesting about petitioning for money to emigrate- I'm more used to people being sent by the Parish under the old Poor Law (or by the then new Poor Law Unions who had taken over Poor Law provision from the parishes) or being given grants from Canada to go, or (from my part of the world being given money by mining companies to go to BC/WA)- where I am it was mainly miners who went.
I'm not sure I've heard of people opting to go without their own funds.

It tends to be either Fernie/Coal Creek or Vancouver Island from Cumbria, via Quebec and the CP, sailing from Liverpool, Glasgow or local ports. And, of course, rather later in time as well.

But it's really the Upper (Kittitas) County miners from Cumbria where my interests, even passion, lie.

From Suffolk I suppose it would have been farm workers- ag labs (agricultural labourers). It actually feels a trace late for parishes to be doing that.

But that is diverging from the case in hand, horribly so. Not helping you at all. When I lived in Southend I would do day trips all year round into Suffolk and parts of Norfolk (normally on a Saturday as that was our guaranteed day off (not Sunday) when working at the then Jewish run Canary Wharf), so yes I would see that part of the world as pretty much a year round destination, and have experienced it year round. I like the Suffolk and north Essex coast when it's wild and woolly off season and few people there.

Whereas rural Yorkshire is a bit more of a Spring to Autumn destination- especially for your first visit. Basing yourself in Leeds could work very well for the lower Dales and Herriot Country. Off season I'm not sure if you'd fall in love with the Dales.

Put like that, maybe I didn't read this properly last night, sorry, it's a very hard decision. Maybe this post is all words and nothing productive, I don't know.

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If you’re wondering about differences in the temperature between Yorkshire and Suffolk then that will be negligible and should not be a deciding factor.

Suffolk is popular with visitors from London and so is more expensive and you can find fancy boutiques and restaurants in the honey pots like Aldeburgh which cater to that crowd. Yorkshire is far away from London and the wealthy South East of the country so has very much its own character. I don’t know Suffolk/Norfolk well but Yorkshire is great.

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The Sunday transfer to Kew looks a mess to me. You're going to move from a very central hotel right out to Kew first thing and then come back into town on the river. Then go right out east to ABBA Voyage and have to schlep all the way back to Kew in the evening. Would it not make more sense to either wait until Monday to go to Kew or abandon staying at Kew altogether.

You seem to be hopping around London an awful lot with a Hilton, a PI, Kew and then the Sofitel in what is a pretty short visit. Every time you move you both waste holiday time, have to hump your bags around and maybe incur considerable costs if you can't or don't want to use the tube.

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Hi CanAmCherie -

I think the above posters who say weather shouldn’t be a consideration between Norfolk/Suffolk and Yorkshire, as generally speaking, in springtime what’s happening in one will be happening in the other. You could make an argument that the more elevated and remote areas of Yorkshire will fare worse in terms of weather severity in late autumn/winter, but if it’s generally mild it shouldn’t make much of a difference. My only observation is that I find London to be an average of two degrees warmer than Yorkshire. Other than that as a Yorkshireman my views might not be considered impartial!

I’m also a ‘Loiner’, i.e., someone born and raised in Leeds, and while I’ve said before in these very pages that Leeds is hardly tourist central, it’s not without its charms, though they need seeking out. Let me know if you decide to spend any time in Leeds and I’ll give you my top ten things to do in and around. If your visit is genealogical, Julie is big into family history and may have suggestions on where to visit to dig up long lost relatives (not literally, pretty sure that would be frowned on!).

Ian

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Stuart, no need to apologize for diversion on my thread. I love all that you share! I can't find a copy of the petition to the parish for emigration $ just now---must have been on my camera or my husband's phone. It was 20 or 30 men requesting 30 or 50 pounds to go to Canada. You are on the money stating 1850 sounds a little late, as it looks like it must have been 1830 (I see on a family tree that his younger brother was born in Canada in 1834). Getting my 30s and 50s mixed up. It was my ggggrandfather who petitioned, some signed with an X. My grandfather was born in in Ontario but his siblings were born in Manitoba as the family headed west. They all ended up in BC, as did most of their aunts and uncles. The petition was a fascinating story that we learned during our brief Stradbroke visit.

Helen, thanks for the info. Perhaps off-season rates would be better for Suffolk. I haven't checked, yet.

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Johnew52, yes, I agree, the Sunday transfer is a little cumbersome, but it would only have one extra trip over, for example, a day trip from London to visit the gardens. (And I want a couple of days in the area.) I'd prefer to get out to Kew Sunday evening (show is over by 7:30---I hope we can get their by 9 or 9:30?) so we can start our Monday early.

I had wondered about cancelling our Sofitel and just heading to Heathrow very early Wednesday, but our flight was moved earlier yesterday so I think it's best to be there. We usually book our airport hotel for 1 night far in advance so we have no worries about getting to the area. While it would be nice to spend our last night in Kew, but I think I'd be a wreck if there was trouble on the road to the airport the next morning.

We can stay another night (Saturday) in Kew (4 nights in London, 3 in Kew, 1 airport) if we store our luggage at the PI after checkout on Saturday. This is preferable to storing luggage at the PI on Sunday and retrieving it after the show and then heading to Kew. It would also allow us to get the boat trip (which could require a tube trip one way, anyway).

This is just my stream of thoughts. I appreciate your comments because they help me continue to think about this and decide if it is what we will do.

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It helped me to go back and re-read your other thread before answering:
https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/england/kew-gardens-when-to-visit-within-may-itinerary

It's obvious that Kew is playing a big part in your trip plan, as it should. I will mention that there are some great gardens in the south of England that I think you'd also enjoy visiting.
Sissinghurst, for one.
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/visit/kent/sissinghurst-castle-garden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sissinghurst_Castle_Garden

Hever Castle, home of Anne Boleyn, Henry VIII's second wife. Extensive gardens.
https://www.hevercastle.co.uk/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hever_Castle

You can easily travel to either of the two above places by public transportation from London as a day trip.

About your hotel choices for London. I would tend to pick one hotel in a central location and not move hotels within your visit. You can easily get out to Kew by boat for a day's visit from any hotel you stay in.
I would perhaps save staying at Kew or Richmond for your fall visit when your daughter will be with you, as you said, you all love Ted Lasso. For this first visit, perhaps a walk through Richmond and its park would be enough for you and your husband.

I'm trying to save you from switching hotels several times here!
To me, your hotel switching is complicating your plan and not in a good way.
It might seem fun now "on paper" before your trip, but
I think it will not be as much fun when you're actually on your trip.

I would absolutely be staying in a hotel in central London on the night you go to the ABBA Voyage show!

Figure out what day trips you'd like to do, what station you leave from to do those, and pick a hotel convenient to your "leaving place" for your day trips.
Many people who do multiple day trips like to stay near Victoria Station because you have trains, tube, coaches (buses) in that area. This is also the area a lot of big bus tours leave from, such as Evan Evans Tours.

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You asked "What are the Pros/Cons of Yorkshire vs Norfolk/Suffolk this time in early to mid-May?"
Pros: Both/either would be lovely.
Cons: None that I can think of.
It would be easy to take a train to Norwich from London, enjoy Norwich for a day or two, then train to Great Yarmouth and enjoy the beach.

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Ian, thanks for the input. Would it be best to rent a car in Leeds or in York?

IDK, digging for bones could be interesting, but it would not be as rewarding as it was for Philippa Langley!

I may take you up on your offering of your wife's knowledge!

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Lavenham and Kersey are some of my favorite Suffolk gems. Very different from Great Yarmouth! You could base yourself in Lavenham and drive to Bury St. Edmunds (11 miles away) and train to Cambridge or drive and do the Park and Ride. (Don't drive in Cambridge itself).

Towards the Suffolk coast, you have the very popular seaside towns of Aldeburgh and Southwold. Wroxham in Norfolk is popular for access to the Norfolk Broads. All these places are very nice and popular when the sun is shining.

If you decide on Suffolk, the Swan Hotel in Lavenham is very nice, but you can certainly find a small cottage to stay in the village that will be a lot cheaper. The Dedham Valley is close by (Constable country) which is on the Essex/Suffolk border. I would avoid Colchester and the Essex seaside towns of Clacton-on-sea, Frinton, and Walton-on the Naze.

I go to Suffolk quite regularly, but when I can, I try to go to Yorkshire. I love going to the Dales. If you have already been to Suffolk, why not go somewhere different? Train to York and pick up a rental car there.

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Rebecca, thank you for your extensive comments. Hever Castle looks splendid! The information sounds somewhat familiar, so I believe you (or someone else) may have shared it on a thread in months past. If I'd begun the organized notes most of you encourage, I'd see the information, I'm sure. I remember thinking that our daughter would love to stay there. (So would I!)

I know everyone's right about the hotel transfers. Premier Inns are so uninspiring and cookie cutter. The Kew hotel is actually a little cheaper and has breakfast---and ambiance. I should give it up for convenience, but...

We should've just gotten Abba tickets for the later show on a different day, but we liked the Sunday 6 PM show because it's earlier in the evening and doesn't cut up the day like the matinee.

Hmm.

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Can I throw in another suggestion to the East Anglia versus Yorkshire debate ? That is Dorset, which is one of the least discovered parts of country as far as tourists are concerned. It is still rural and unspoilt with some lovely rolling countryside and pretty villages equal to those in the Cotswolds. It also has some superb coastline and sandy beaches. There are places like Corfe Castle , Lulworth Cove and Durdle Door (aadmitedly that is on the tourist trail and does get busy), Abbotsbury with its swannery. There is a tank museum as well as monkey world... You can go fossil hunting too.

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mpaulynsettle, thank you for your insight. We didn't spend long in Suffolk so I would like to visit again, but maybe I should wait until I can find more family history in that area.

We need to have a 2 month stay in England! My husband doesn't plan to retire for another 2.5 years. Maybe I'll take a few solo trips...

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To comment on this....
"I know everyone's right about the hotel transfers. Premier Inns are so uninspiring and cookie cutter. The Kew hotel is actually a little cheaper and has breakfast---and ambiance. I should give it up for convenience, but...

We should've just gotten Abba tickets for the later show on a different day, but we liked the Sunday 6 PM show because it's earlier in the evening and doesn't cut up the day like the matinee."


Why don't you switch days/nights on your reservations at the Coach and Horses? Don't give it up altogether; just move it.
Stay in central London the night of the ABBA concert. The next day, check out of your hotel and move to the Coach and Horses for 2 or 3 nights.

This way, while you're at the Coach and Horses, you can spend one day at Kew and the next day walking around Richmond, which is a short distance away.
It would be interesting to walk there using the path along the river, the Thames Path.

I do agree this is a charming hotel.
If it bothers you that the Premier Inn you've reserved is "uninspiring and cookie cutter" as you say, then cancel it and find something more to your liking.

There is a boat at Richmond that will take you to Hampton Court.
And back again.

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Rebecca. LOL. I just returned from the Library (more travel books!) and read your post. An hour before your last post, I reserved 4 different nights in Kew. (We don't have time after the Abba night for more than 1 night unless we go to the airport from there. Would feel rushed.) I'm going to sit on my multiple reservations for a few days as we continue to assess.

Updated, tentative itinerary:
2 nights London with gifted Hyatt hotel points- hopefully near a train station for trip to Yorkshire or? If we end up stuck in Denver en route, at least we only lose points because it will be too late to cancel. Do as much or little of London as we feel like it and the bank holiday crowds allow. Our "hello" days. If the points don't work out, we'll take what we can find.

6 nights plus most of arrival day in Yorkshire or?

3 nights (or 4) in Kew --Gardens at Kew, Richmond, and Hampton Court (I had been thinking about the boat between, plus hope to walk lots in Richmoond) with a boat trip on last day to Westminister Pier, relatively close to County Hall? Boats said luggage is ok.

4 or 5 nights at County Hall (or if I find somethiing I like better). PIs are good for short cancellation policy, consistency, luggage storage, fridge (upgraded)...I don't mind the uninspiring rooms if I can get some accommodations with more coziness somewhere along the trip. The room isn't particularly cheap, though, compared to Kew (which has breakfast). While I'd love to end the trip in Richmond/Kew because I think it would be less stressful than London, this makes more sense. It flows better. Day trip to Canterbury. Maybe Greenwich on the Sunday before the Abba show, since it's close. Another day trip possible on Monday but probably need to leave the lovely gardens to the south for another trip...

1 night at the airport

This order is better in case the airlines move our flight to a day earlier! We have done the Churchill War Rooms. Maybe I'll charity shop while DH goes to IWM.

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Wasleys, thanks for putting Dorset on my radar. It might be a good addition to a Cornwall/Devon focussed trip. I believe there may be some Devon ancestors to dig up.

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Don't worry too much about being near a train station for your journey to Yorkshire. You'll be using Kings Cross and you might want to stay somewhere else. West of Chelsea might start to get a bit of journey but you just leave yourself the requisite time to catch your train. Your train will start boarding 15-20 minutes before departure (in theory).

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Thanks, Gerry. I know I need to investigate timestables and lines more thoroughly. I was thinking that we would want a shorter distance with luggage, but I guess we just need to be near a tube station.

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If you're at least semi-mobile with your luggage it's not really a problem. Within walking distance of Kings Cross wouldn't be my first choice, especially when your budget is taken care of with the points.

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Hi CanAmCherie -

To be honest, as regards car hire I don’t think it makes much difference whether you hire a car in York or Leeds. I would say that there are huge disadvantages in having a car in the centre of both cities. York’s mediaeval street plan failed to cater for the coming of the automobile, thus they are largely banned from the centre, and in much more modern Leeds they’ve decided to try and eliminate the car from the centre almost completely, putting in a one way ‘city centre loop’ so convoluted there’s a case to be made that the planners were ‘on’ mind expanding drugs when they drew it up - which changes so frequently it even confused me when I attempted to drive through a couple of weeks back. Finding somewhere to park a car unless your accommodation has on site parking is a trial and the costs are of the ‘arm and a leg’ variety. Leeds and York virtually penalise you for parking in the centres having found that’s it’s a nice little earner - so successful has it been in York they are about to increase costs for city centre car parks by about 30%. In York there are ‘park and ride’ car parks on the edges of the city where it is free to park but you pay a fare on the bus you’d need to catch to take you into the centre. To my knowledge there’s no such facility in Leeds - generally I take the train into Leeds from home. So if you need to hire a car just ensure your next move is to exit the city, whichever one you are in!

That said, there are great frequent public transport options in both cities, Leeds especially so, and the rail link between Leeds and York is quick and also frequent. So you’d only need a car if you wanted to travel further afield, wanted absolute control of your timetable and walking a distance of more than a mile was difficult or impossible.

Ian

P.S. Leeds has a cemetery behind the university which has been dug up, unfortunately losing the graves of renowned local artist John Atkinson Grimshaw and ‘Being For The Benefit Of Mister Kite’s’ Pablo Fanques, who was real and while not from Leeds, died here. Which I guess is a good reason why digging up any more at random and by the public would annoy the city fathers!

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I'm sure your generously gifted points would get you somewhere more attractive and fun than around Kings Cross. If you want to be really organised, check which Hyatts are near the same tube lines that serve Kings Cross. That's Victoria Line, Northern Line, Hammersmith and City and the Piccadilly Line [edit: Circle Line and Metropolitan Line too!]. You can get to Kings Cross pretty easily from anywhere in London on the tube.

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Thanks, Ian. We wouldn't be planning to stay in York (just there in Sept), and only in Leeds if I had enough family info to do any research (not likely so soon), so it would just be to pick up the car. If there is a huge difference in price, we'd get the car from Heathrow, as it's not bad to head north right out of the gate. It would be nice to train up, however.

We would use a car to visit villages at will (and maybe the coast). We enjoy that freedom.

Gerry, thanks for naming the lines needed to get to the station.

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The Hyatt Regency [edit: The Churchill] looks amazing if you can stretch to that.

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It does look nice, and it is available for points. However, that one charges a 5 % service fee, so I had been looking for ones that do not. Though I guess that would be minimal. It appears that each hotel usually just has a bare minimal room available for points, or pay $ and points for levels above, so the most attractive rooms are not available.

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Marylebone is such a cute little nook, so handy for town. I think I'd love a couple of nights at The Churchill.

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Thanks for your input and support, Gerry...Ack!! Found out that the hyatts won't charge the points if guests aren't able to cancel in time. The credit card is charged. The Churchill, and a couple of few others available require 2 days notice for cancellation. If there is a problem with one of our flights (connection in Denver) to delay us beyond 1st night, we would be charged $$$. Almost 400 pounds is quite a risk to take with the airlines' issues these days. The hotel says maybe the reservation person would be kind and not charge, but no way to know. The Flemings Mayfair may be okay with 1 pm cancel that day (which we could do if cancelation was by boarding time for the Denver flight.). Or, to take advantage of the Churchill, I could do something stupid and try to move over to the Churchill for the last 2 nights in London. The PI is cheap on the days at the beginning of our trip(137) so not as big of a risk if we can't cancel by 1 pm.

It's so unlikely that there would be a full day delay...right? I'm worried after reading here about flights cancelled at the last minute.

Just checked and the minimal insurance we're signed up for would cover only $150/day for delay. I might upgrade to an annual plan right before the trip. Maybe it would pay more per day, maybe not, or maybe we take a chance and accept that we would still be out a few hundred pounds IF we got cancelled (and IF reservation agent doesn't take pity). Maybe it's worth the risk. After all this worry, there could be a glitch in the point reservation process (son hasn't done the gifting before) or the room is gone before he gets to it...I think it's time for me to go to bed!

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Leeds does have Park and Ride facilities- just looked it up as I thought I'd seen the buses when wandering round Leeds this summer (wandering being a relative term to anyone who knows how I travel on local day trips)- https://www.wymetro.com/park-and-ride

You could train up to Leeds, then taxi or bus to the car rental (Enterprise from memory) just out of the city centre, then straight onto the Leeds ring road.

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Hi isn31c/Stuart -

You are right of course. Back in the day when me and Methuselah were lads, Leeds had an extensive Park and Ride scheme. However, one by one the locations closed due to under use and the ones nearest to me closed many moons back and have since been built on. The remaining ones seem to cater for those arriving in the city from the M1 and M62 motorways in the main, which while not exactly on the opposite side of the city to me are far enough out of my way for them to remain well kept secrets! Still, if you are driving to Leeds from London they may come in quite handy…..

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CanAmCherie, it sounds like a great trip!

I just chimed in to tell you that if you do go to York with a car, I found out that you can park at the National Railroad Museum for £10, visit the museum (if you want to - it is free) and then just walk to the city center, which is around 15-20 minutes away, and spend the day there. You can park there until 6:30 pm that evening when the car park closes.

It's a bit more expensive than a park-and-ride, but just seems a lot simpler.

Back in the day when me and Methuselah were lads...

Hahahahahaha, Ian!!!

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Good info on the railway museum and parking, Mardee. I don't think we have visited--I know we didn't this last year but can't remember 22 years ago..so I guess it's time to go if we're in York.