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Car Travel in UK

Next Sept/Oct my wife and I are planning a 12-14 day England and Scotland trip. The general itinerary will be train from Heathrow to Bath area, rent a car and head north through Cotswolds,, on to Peaks District, then to Yorkshire Dales, then to Lakes District, and finishing in Edinburgh. I know there is usually about 40 GBP surcharge for one way rentals.

We would most likely stay 2 nights in a B&B in each area; maybe 3 nights in top sites locations.

Love nature, hiking, bike riding, rivers, lakes, and mountains. Have been to London before and plan to skip on this trip.

Any thoughts on strategic places to stay; not particular B&Bs, but rather the general city or town to look into. It appears there are 60-200 km between most places so for an American that does not seem like too much driving.

We would get up on any given morning drive toward next stop; plan to arrive around noontime and have rest of day, overnight, entire next day and overnight. Then head on out for the next stop.

Thanks for any help and suggestions! Ted D

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Keswick in the Lake District.
Don't miss Hadrian's wall. The best preserved sections in the centre between Carlisle and Newcastle.

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Sounds like a great trip! You might consider flying home from Glasgow if you can, to save time and cost of returning to London. Icelandair has flights via Reykjavik if your home airport is in northern US. And I second Chris re Keswick and Hadrian's Wall.

I'd recommend York and Durham but it seems like you're more interested in nature and smaller towns. We liked Richmond in the Dales and Hexham near the east end of Hadrian's Wall. There are other towns along the road south of the wall that have accommodations for wall hikers, you might enjoy.

Driving is definitely the way to go on such a trip, I think. But don't underestimate the time it may take to get to your day's destination. Unless you use the motorways you'll probably find yourself at lower speeds than you're used to here, especially on narrow country roads where the "shoulder" is a stone wall or 400-year-old hedge. I had a lot of trouble with left-side driving, though others on this board seem not to. Some smaller roads are effectively one-lane in places, and you take turns going in opposite directions. I'd recommend an automatic shift, even at higher cost, so you can focus on the road instead of shifting.

Two or three nights in an area, staying at one place and taking day trips, would be a great way to see things. A few years ago we did a Manchester-Chester-Conwy-York-Durham-Edinburgh-Keswick-Manchester trip in three weeks, with 3-4 nights in each place, and it was a great itinerary for us.

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Hi there

when you're planning your routes for each day's drive, I recommend that you assume a 50mph average, outside of major built-up areas. Thus a 200 mile trip would take four hours. This also assumes that you will drive on major roads (motorways or dual carriageway routes), and will likely be driving closer to the 70mph limit on occasion to make the 50 average. If you're not comfortable driving at those sorts of speeds, and on the left, then you really need to plan round a 40mph average - especially if you plan to stop along your route.

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" It appears there are 60-200 km between most places so for an American that does not seem like too much driving."

Miles are used in the UK.

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Whitby was one of my favorite places to stay on that drive...anywhere in Robins Hood bay was scenic

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Great trip to be doing by car. If you are at all interested in Downton Abbey why not just start out with the car at Heathrow and drive to Bath with a stop at Highclere Castle? It is a very doable one day drive and both the building and the gardens nice. We had a very reasonable lunch in their little tea room on the grounds. After Bath we stayed at Stow on the Wold which we liked very much but in driving around the area the nearby village of Burton on the Water looked even nicer ... just a thought. Keswick in the Lake District is a great base. We have spent too much time spent too much time in the Alps to get all stirred up over the Yorkshire Dales but binge fans of All Creatures Great and Small, we really enjoyed our stop in Thirsk to see the James Herriot sites. Since you have a car, one of the things in Edinburgh that is really worth seeing an is unique is the Royal Yacht Britannia it is a self guided tour so you take all the time you want, the ship is in beautiful condition and they have a very nice tea room on the top deck.

For planning the drive, while ViaMichelin has more accurate times, I have switched over to using Google Maps as a trip planner, I find it easier to use and they have really good maps that you can zoom in on to get local detail. i Just add about 10% to the Google drive times, remembering that all drive times are just estimates anyhow. You really want your own GPS that you know how to use with some decent paper maps as a back up. For touring the Cotswolds, it is a good idea once there to pick a large scale Ordinance Survey map. As someone pointed out before,, they use miles in the UK so the distances are easy to comprehend.

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Google maps nowadays has the drawback that its mapping colours no longer match the UK conventions. This may not appear to be a disadvantage to those not used to them, but the real problem is that it does not have enough distinguishing colours. All roads below primary A roads are white, all though there is a difference in thickness. This makes route planning at a glance more difficult. This downgrade was a result of the mistaken decision that roads are the same the world over and should have the same colour scheme.

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Ted, you do not mention if you have driven in the UK before so if you already know this my apologies. Having just returned from driving 2000 miles across England & Scotland here are my observations. We planned on using our iPhones as a GPS. While in theory that sounded like a great idea, the reality was that service is very spotty in England and Scotland (more so in Scotland). Unless you plan on staying near the large cities of Glasgow or Edinburgh, get a GPS if you can. We also picked up an AA large scale road atlas of Britain which was very helpful. I also subscribed to the Ministry of Transport page on Facebook to familiarize myself with what to expect regarding road rules and regulations. There is also a downloadable PDF about road rules that I found on the internet. You MUST know the speed limits for the type of road you are on (motorway, a, or b) since they are not always displayed and speed cameras are everywhere and the locals are like locals most everywhere they go fast when they can. Directional road signs are easy to understand when going from point A to point B. Drivers are courteous. While planning our trip I used viamichelin.com to get an idea of travel times, distance, and costs. Fuel was running about 1.29-1.38 a litre for gas. I am not one to shirk from driving anywhere or in any type of weather, however, the narrow roads with either rock walls, brick walls, and crumbling shoulders gave my nerves a good work out. We started with Skoda Octavia and after getting a flat we switched to a smaller Vauxhall Astra. I dove a stick shift since the cost of an automatic was more than the cost to rent the car. Our itinerary was; London, Liverpool, and then basing ourselves out of Abefeldy Scotland for day trips to neighboring areas before heading back to London. I would have like to see Hadrians Wall, Offas Dike and Loch Ness but we didn't have time. We did see Edinburgh, Glasgow, Sterling, and the Fort William Scotland area. All beautiful areas in their own right.
I hope that you find this useful. We will definitely go back some day and drive again.

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Hi ted,
We just returned from a 2 week trip to Scotland and England. Don't take driving on the "wrong"/left side of the road lightly if you haven't done it before; it takes concentration. After 3 nights in Edinburgh we rented a car at the airport on our way out of town. My husband did all the driving (about 900 miles over 9 days) and I did the navigating. I would not recommend getting off an international flight and driving to Bath. Here's a list of our driving experiences and rules.

1) Our Scottish friend dropped us off at the airport and we planned on following her to their house , so Hertz suggested we drive to the Hilton (literally around the corner) and meet her there. Have to say the less than 1/10 of a mile to the Hilton was rather exciting. We only had one round about, hit a curb on the left side, then drove into the Hilton's round about the wrong direction. Then we just parked waiting for our friend. So rule 1, if as a passenger, I felt we were too close to the curb, I'd say "CURB". after that we only hit another 5 curbs, and luckily no flat tires

2) GPS- We brought our own Garmin loaded with UK maps. change language to British English :)
No problem with Satellite reception. The ETA time on Garmin was fairly accurate, even on slow windy narrow roads. But use Garmin in conjunction with signs. It's good to have a smartphone GPS as backup, but can really eat up data so use only if necessary. We had one destination that Garmin couldn't find, so we used our iphone to get us to destination. Last trip to Italy, Europe maps disappeared our last day driving, so Iphone came in handy.

3) GB LOVES roundabouts of every shape and size imaginable. (Just think about converting 90% of 4-way stoplights in the US into roundabouts.) There are multi-lane, multi-exits (up to 8) or small 1 lane roundabouts with a mini "hump" in the center. Tom drove over the first couple, not realizing they were roundabouts. Rule 2: If Navigator hasn't digested the signs and which exit to take, driver is just to continue driving around until navigator makes decision. Rule 3: If you take wrong exit, not to worry, there's another round about not too far away so you can just sling shot around and go back the same direction to try again.

4) Back roads can be very narrow to the point it's a two way road with only one lane. There are little pull outs to allow two cars to slip by. Tom said this made driving very stressful/not relaxing Rule 4: we are not in a hurry, so take your time

5) You have to concentrate on staying on the left side. We came across roads that kept switching from dual carriageways to 2 lanes. Rule 5: Stay in the far left lane. Only change to the right lane if you are passing. Do not hang in the right lane.

6) Roundabouts- The signage is excellent labeling each exit out of the round about. In multi-lane roundabouts, signs also tell you what sign to be in. Rule 6: As navigator I would state which exit, then count the exits and point toward the correct exit and which car to follow.

7) Fuel- be sure you know whether you use Petrol or diesel when you rent the car and make note of which side the gas tank is on.

8) The narrower the roads are the bigger the roadside bushes. So if you are on a windy narrow road, you can not see around blind corners. Back to Rule 4: We are not in a hurry

9) Lots of traffic cameras- Plenty of speed limit signs and warnings that the speed limit is decreasing. speed limits in towns are generally 30mph. Back to Rule 4:

10) per previous posters UK is miles and MPH, but gas is in liters.

11) We rented a manual transmission. My husband said the strangest thing about right side driving was shifting on the left. On hindsight, wish we had rented automatic car.

12) Back to Roundabouts- Cars in the roundabout have the right away, so enter roundabout when clear. Rule 7: Look right, no need to look left.

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One of my great days was when I drove from Gamblesby in Cumbria to Melrose, Scotland. I got completely lost on the small roads. It started when I went thought a very small village near Gamblesby that had the narrowest roads ever with hedges and walls over 10 feet high on each side. Then I headed toward Hadrian's Wall and the Debatable Lands. The latter is the area where much of the reiving too place between Scotland and England. There's a wonderful castle on the Scottish side--Hermitage Castle--where Mary Queen of Scots visited and which has a rather looming presence. I finally escaped the debatable lands with directions from a lorry driver who was parked at the ruins of Bewcastle. It was wonderful. Check out Fraser's book The Steel Bonnets.

Pam

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12) Back to Roundabouts- Cars in the roundabout have the right away, so enter roundabout when clear. Rule 7: Look right, no need to look left

Caution with that as always. This week I have had three near misses on roundabouts where white vans, quelle surprise!, have failed to glance right or failed to give way. All at the same roundabout in rushhour.

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and I always keep a weather eye to the left. Many have been the time I am ready to jump in and as I'm ready to take power realize that the person joining ahead of me has suddenly stopped. An accident waiting to happen if you don't make sure that both directions are clear.

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Thanks for this info. Yes, I am sure the roundabouts and narrow roads will be interesting.
Ted

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Thanks Karen, Pamela, MC and Nigel for a description of what it is like to drive on the roads and roundabouts in England and Scotland. Too many tourists come on this website and think driving a car in England is going to be exactly like driving in their home town or state, except for having to remember to drive on the left side of the road.

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Adding to Karen's excellent points on driving in the UK. Just returned from a two week trip - for the first day or two those curbs do seem to jump out at you. I would recommend automatic and a GPS of some kind. As said before English roads can be narrow, the British drive faster on these roads than we would on comparable road in the US, if you don't remember the road you're on, don't expect any help from signage. Don't remember the speed limit? - don't expect any help from signage. Regarding roundabouts: when you are going to the second or third exits, use your left directional signal. I felt that it gave inbound traffic some idea of what I wanted to do and hopefully lessened the likelihood of a fender bender. As said before, take it slow and look right!

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Some highlights you might be interested in seeing on your trip:
Chatsworth House in the Peaks District. It's best to allow a full day to see the house, the grounds and visit the Farm Shop in Pilsley. The Devonshire Arms in Pilsley is a good place to stay that's convenient for a visit.
Barnhard Castle
Melrose Abbey ruin
Housesteads Fort - Hadrians Wall

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Adding to Karen's excellent points on driving in the UK. Just returned from a two week trip - for the first day or two those curbs do seem to jump out at you. I would recommend automatic and a GPS of some kind. As said before English roads can be narrow, the British drive faster on these roads than we would on comparable road in the US, if you don't remember the road you're on, don't expect any help from signage. Don't remember the speed limit? - don't expect any help from signage. Regarding roundabouts: when you are going to the second or third exits, use your left directional signal. I felt that it gave inbound traffic some idea of what I wanted to do and hopefully lessened the likelihood of a fender bender. As said before, take it slow and look right!

Just a couple of points that might help. You should not indicate left until you have passed the exit prior to your exit. It indicates you want the prior exit and lead another driver to think they can pull on in front of you. If you are going to indicate, indicate right until you need to indicate left.

When it comes to the speed. Yup, guilty! I am (still) one of those drivers who probably drives faster than some of our visitors are comfortable with. I think I got the car airborne once or twice! Generally there are three speed limits in the UK for cars. 30 mph in towns, 60 mph out of towns and 70 mph on motorways/expressways. Other speed limits will be posted. And that out of town 60 limit applies on country tracks and ordinary roads, and people do drive them fast.