I’m starting to pplan our trip to England in November. Rick says that a train trip from London to Liverpool nominally costs around $120. On the National rail site it quotes an advance trip price of $32. Am I missing something? Are there hidden costs for an advance ticket? Also, when does an advance ticket increase in cost? Thanks
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Lake District, England
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The nominal cost of $120 will be for an 'open single'- one which is available on any off peak train and can be bought until a few minutes before departure on a turn up and go basis.
The $32 ticket is available on a specified train only and has to be bought ahead of time. Miss that train and you are buying a $120 ticket and have lost your $32 ticket.
It is impossible to say when an advance ticket increases in price. Conventional wisdom is to buy as soon as issued- which is between 8 and 11 weeks before travel.
That advice is out of date. I have empirical evidence that the 'sweet spot' is between 3 and 4 weeks out. But yesterday I travelled from Milton Keynes to the Lake District (a journey of 290 miles) on a £12/$15 ticket purchased 2 weeks before travel, and do the same next week from Coventry to the Lake District on an £11/$14 ticket, purchased two weeks ahead. Those are not unusual examples- and they are both on peak evening trains. Last week I did London to the Lake District for £24/$30 purchased 2 weeks ahead.
It is a matter of luck, and judging when best to buy. I had been monitoring each of these 3 trains, and watching the price fall about a month out, and just judged when best to book.
Looking for 4 weeks time tomorrow I can see several London to Liverpool trains for £20/$24.
I don't think you need to hammer the cost that low-$32 to $40 is still a keen price for your journey.
If you are prepared to travel on the slower London North Western Trains to Crewe, and change there, there are frequent fares of £10.20 + £13.80= £24 ($29) on many trains
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Royaume-Uni nul points, pas plus
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Essentially thee are three ticket types: Advance, Off-Peak and Anytime.
This is a good explanation https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/tickets-railcards-and-offers/ticket-types/
Advance tickets increase in cost as they sell out. The other types do not sell out and are walk-up fares.
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Lake District, England
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I wonder how many mistakes there are on that link.
There are certainly three- Northern Rail advance sales stop 5 minutes before train departure, not at 2359 the previous night as stated. The 2359 deadline only applies to very short distance advance fares- around 8 to 15 miles. The kind of journeys where you wouldn't expect advance fares in the first place. AFAIK 8 miles is the shortest distance an advance fare is offered for by Northern (or any train operator?)
East Midlands Trains (London Routes) is the same story- does NOT close at 2359 but a few minutes before departure.
Nor do LNER close 40 minutes before departure- 5 minutes is the actual fact.
Three errors, you seriously lose confidence.