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This website is a gold mine! I've been reading all about driving in the UK (as an American) thanks to the many threads covering the topic, and my significant other is very concerned / not enthusiastic about driving. Neither of us can drive a manual shift.

We are still in the early stages of planning our itinerary, but there are a few "must-see" places that have been important to me personally. They are not located near one another so I have been exploring bus, rail and rental car options and having a difficult time. I'm most concerned about Haworth and Ripon since those are rural locations, and I'm not sure you can reach them without a rental car.

Thoughts? Ideas of where we should fly in or fly out?

10 day itinerary (plus travel days) probably flying out of JFK airport in New York

Bath, Stonehenge, Chester, Haworth Parsonage (Bronte Museum), Fountains Abbey in Ripon

Thanks in advance

Marisa

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Hi Marisa -

You could probably fly into London Heathrow and travel north from there by train to Leeds. Or Manchester if flights are economic and/or available. Again from Manchester your destination would initially be Leeds by Rail.

Leeds is a good access point for Howarth. From there take the train (or bus) to Keighley and from there, either connect by bus or more usually the privately run Keighley and Worth Valley Railway to Howarth, dependent on what times work best for you. Possibly here is a good place to advise that ‘Keighley’ is pronounced ‘Keeth-ly’! From the railway station at Howarth to the Parsonage involves a long, steep, cobbled climb up Howarth Main Street, so hopefully you are fairly mobile! If walking is going to be difficult I suggest a taxi to the Parsonage from Keighley.

To reach Fountains Abbey from Leeds take the frequent No. 36 bus via Harrogate to Ripon. On Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays the 139 bus runs from Ripon to the Vistor Centre at Fountains. On Sundays in summer it’s the Dalesbus as linked above. All the bus services are infrequent, so if nothing suits either getting there or getting back, a taxi will be just about your only option. However, if you are OK with walking there’s a walk published by the National Trust which details a walk to and from Ripon to Fountains. It’s an eight mile round trip so the walk one way will be about four miles. It’s worth going the one way at least via the Studley Royal Deer Park, splendid walk in good weather and if possible extend the walk a little to St. Mary’s Church, which is also worth a visit if open. Again on the walking front from the Fountains Visitor Centre if you get dropped off there there’s a walk down to the Abbey Ruins on well made paths, but what goes down..... (The abbey is in the valley bottom and the Visitor Centre is on top of the hill above). Once down at the ruins there is extensive walking in and around the ruins to and through the water gardens, Banqueting House, Lake, lower tea room, etc.,

A quick word about where to stay. Leeds is my home town but it can’t be described as tourist central. It is a good transport hub and would be good for Howarth, but you could stay further out in, say, Ilkley, which is slightly more rural, and which has good rail connections from Leeds and connections to Keighley via Shipley, I think. Not too far from Ilkley are Fountains-esque parklands (more walking!) and semi ruined (front half is still a working church and can be visited usually) Priory Church at Bolton Abbey. If you are particularly interested in ecclesiastical ruins from the Dissolution, Leeds has its own in the form of Kirkstall Abbey, a huge ruined Cistercian Abbey (built 1256 I believe), about three miles out from the centre of Leeds.

For Ripon and Fountains, either stay in Ripon or Harrogate - like Bath, Harrogate sprung up as a spa town and has a similar genteel, if undeniably northern, feel. It’s also home to the original Betty’s Tea Room, usually mentioned here with regards to York, which has two. (Harrogate has two nowadays, the second being a little way out of town at the Harlow Carr Gardens).

Buses and trains connect Harrogate to Leeds for onward travel to Chester and Bath by rail.

If visiting Stonehenge I always suggest trying to get on a tour that will also take you to Avebury where you can get up and personal with the stones. The village of Avebury sits within the circle which will give you a sense of the sheer size of the place! Unfortunately Google is your friend here as being a Brit I’ve never taken a tour, having arrived by bus (from Swindon), car, or on foot having completed the Ridgeway long distance trail.

Feel free to PM me if you need any further info or help with travels in Yorkshire. I hope you have a great trip!

Ian

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Marisa,

Enjoy the Yorkshire Dales - one of my favorite places in Britain. I cannot add to Ian's response. He is a wealth of information on the area and helped me last year with my trip. I do think renting an automatic car would be a good option for the Yorkshire countryside. I am not crazy about driving in the UK myself (and I was born and learned to drive in the UK!) But, I actually do better driving in the countryside with a co-pilot giving good directions and telling me to keep left.
Flying open jaw to Manchester and out of London might be a good option. I would not drive from London up North to Yorkshire. Take the train from London to York and then use public transportation or rent a car from there.

Margaret

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thank you all!!! We intend to travel with one, modest suitcase each if we can possibly manage it.

Ian, using Leeds as a travel hub ended up really simplifying what I was trying to accomplish, so thank you!

Actually, I found many things of interest in that city Centre, so perhaps I will use that as a home base for the area. There were trains and/or buses direct to Heathrow, and also to Chester, so it's ideal.

Walking is not an issue: we are both mid 30's and reasonably slim and mobile. I did notice that even in the images, Haworth looks particularly hilly.

I may reach out to pick your brain further on Yorkshire! My partner Cory and I are both primarily British, although we hail from families that have been in America since the early colonial era. In researching our family geneology, we have discovered that my ancestor Sir John Messenger briefly owned Fountains Abbey, and Cory's family were Bradleys out of Bradford, so the Yorkshire area is of special interest to us. We are thinking of this as a Motherland trip, so to speak, in addition to my desire to visit literary sites.

I have found the Mad Max tours out of Bath to visit Stonehenge, Avebury, Lacock, etc!

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Hi again Marisa -

Glad to have been of help and as I said previously feel free to contact me for further info as required. I should just mention that I am AFK for a few days as I leave today for France for the ski slopes (while they'll still let us in!).

I'm glad you find Leeds interesting. I mean, I think it is obviously, but I try not to sell it, as in comparison to York for instance, it's just not that 'olde worlde' even though it dates back to Roman times. It really boomed in the Industrial Revolution and has done well in recent years, where neighbouring Bradford has not been so fortunate.

The reason I suggested Heathrow would be good as an entry point is because of the high speed train link which is almost as quick as a journey from Manchester. That said you have an hour's Tube ride from Heathrow to Kings Cross to reach the trains, but it's a 'straight through' Tube journey, no changes. Don't forget to book train tickets in advance to save money - walk up ticket prices for main line trains can be wickedly expensive.

Shame about your forebears owning Fountains. They never hang onto real estate do they?! I'm afraid 'previous ownership' won't prevent the National Trust charging you to get in now! Look forward to hearing from you if only to hear what you thought and how you got on!

Must dash!

Ian

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haha, thanks Ian! I am fully prepared to pay the entrance fee. :) I know, those pesky relatives always inevitably had cash-flow problems.

Enjoy the skiing! We're having a mild winter over here in Connecticut. Normally we have had way more snow by now.

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Marisa,
We rented a car at Heathrow and drove 1700 miles in four weeks through South Wales and England. It was fantastic.

The largest cities that we visited were Cardiff, York and Durham. There are what you would call medium sized cities. A car in London, Manchester, Birmingham is a problem, not a solution.

Here are some hints on driving in the UK:
1) Rent an automatic and make sure you have a nav system or GPS. The driver needs as few distractions as possible. The person in the passenger's seat should keep reminding the driver when turns at an intersection: "keep to the left." Also, the passenger should be the major navigator.
2) Parking, even in small towns can be an issue, but paid parking is usually available. Carry coins for that as well as for public toilets.
Also, you may have to walk a bit from your parking lot to visit places.
3) Southern England (especially the SE) as well as the Midlands around Manchester, Birmingham and Liverpool will have heavy traffic. Plan on moving slower than you would in the USA. On our trip, I tried to plan no more than a 2 hour trip for all our days except three.
4) When you book a B&B or hotel, make sure it has free or discounted parking. Try to find places near city centers where you won't have to waste time on pubic transport. We were successful in that.
5) Stonehenge may require pre-booking, so check that on-line to be sure.
6) If you are visiting British Heritage sites, you may save purchasing membership.
7) Rail travel would largely work well, except for Stonehenge, Ripon not sure about Haworth.
8) You plan to go to Ripon, but not York. York is amazing.

Here is my review with details of our 28 day trip.
28 days in Britain and Celebrity Eclipse home
https://www.cruisecritic.com/memberreviews/memberreview.cfm?EntryID=599139

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Thank you geovagriffith!

I read your blog of your epic trip, and it was fantastic. I would love to spend as long as you guys did, in England. What a great itinerary.

I plan to go to Ripon for family connection reasons, but we definitely plan on making a side trip to York from our base in Leeds.

I am really thinking that we are not going to drive. My guy is very nervous and against the idea, so I think we're going to make use of the coaches and trains to get where we need to be, and worst case scenario, I will taxi from Leeds to some of our side trips if the bus won't work.

Everyone on this site is so knowledgeable: thank you for sharing your trip tips.

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Driving isn’t as bad as some people make it seem. I always rent an automatic so I don’t have to shift. I do understand the apprehension about driving on the left, but one adjusts quickly. I like driving to save time by not having to wait for a train or bus. I also like being able to stop at an unplanned place if I feel like it. I don’t like driving in cities, especially larger ones, and will park away from the city center. If I know I’ll be driving in a city, I’ll save a couple public parking lot locations into my GPS.

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In over 40 trips (over the course of 20+ years) we NEVER felt the need to drive in the UK (or any other European country). We enjoyed riding trains and the occasional bus (coach). You can actually enjoy the scenery and talk (or listen to music on your phone or sketch). When we were traveling, a Brit Rail pass made lots of sense, and we liked the flexibility of being able to change our plans based on weather (we did lots of day trips) or our moods. Now it is usually better to research fares ahead of time and book point to point tickets for most journeys. If you book about 11-12 weeks ahead you can save a great deal. Also look into things like the '2 together' card. Or just bite the bullet and go ahead and get a rail pass if you value the flexibility. Some things are worth the cost.

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thank you @ jaimeelsabio and Toni!

Yeah, we would have to have an automatic, as neither of us knows how to drive a manual. I had one lesson with my Dad in 2000 and that didn't end well! ha. I agree that the major bonus of using a car over there, would be flexibility about being able to change plans or explore side excursions.
We are probably being a bit cowardly about the driving, but the more research I'm doing, the more I think that using coaches as much as possible might also save us a ton of money. This trip is a real budget buster for us, and I'm trying to get the costs down while sacrificing as little as possible from the itinerary.

Thanks Toni! I agree that the time on the bus or train can be really relaxing. I think I've built in plenty of travel time (I think our longest time on a bus would be 5 hours) in between cities. The Brit Rail pass looks great, other than the cost, but I will still keep it in mind if we can work that in. The ability to get on any train, anywhere, is very appealing.