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5 or 6 nights, from London to Lake Dist. via Cambridge and Derbyshire?

Still playing with a 30-day or so itinerary to England. Just a few days ago I discovered some inns or hotels near Chatsworth House are already fully booked for parts of mid-May ‘27. So, maybe it’s time to get down to brass tacks sooner rather than later.

QUESTION 1 - After a week in London, how would 2 or 3 nights in Cambridge and/or Ely work, followed by 3 nights in or near Bakewell and then up to Penrith for 5 nights in Keswick/Ambleside?

(In Derbyshire, I am figuring we could rent bikes and tour Chatsworth House one day and perhaps on a second day to Buxton via the Monsal Trail - or to Haddon Hall. And, I believe we still have a bit of time to explore Bakewell. (I am thinking we won’t have time for Castleton or the Hope Valley.)

QUESTION 2 - How time-consuming will public transport be from Cambridge or Ely to Bakewell? To my surprise, it looks like that may well involve backtracking to London and then heading north again.

QUESTION 3 - Then, how time-consuming is public transport from Bakewell to Penrith (and thence to Keswick, but I think Saddle Skedaddle will take care of that final leg).

After all that, travel to Stratford-on-Avon looks time consuming, probably 4+ (up to 6) hours via public transport.

This may sound familiar to some of you who’ve already helped a lot with my planning journey and who have answered similar Qs in https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/england/6-nights-cambridge-to-york-by-public-transport/replies/new, as well as other posts.

BUT now I am thinking to skip York/Yorkshire altogether. After the above 2-1/2 weeks we still have a bit under 2 weeks for Stratford/Warwickshire, Cotswolds cycling, Bath and then across the south (perhaps by rental car) to East Sussex and Kent.

Not exactly slow travel … even if 10 or 11 days of e-biking means traveling slowly. But we should have some back doors to complement some posh front doors, with bike paths and gardens to boot.

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Fred, are the hotels near Chatsworth truly booked or have they not opened booking for May 2027 yet? In the past forum members have suggested contacting the hotels directly to find out, which I have done with great success.

I have also considered adding Cambridge to our itinerary in addition to the Lake District next year and found out the same thing - that we will need to backtrack to London to get to the Lake District. I think I have now decided on visiting Ironbridge instead of Cambridge, but am looking forward to what the gurus here have to say about the transportation options.

Have a great trip!

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Question 2- Ely to Bakewell- take the hourly train direct to Chesterfield or Sheffield(in 2 hours 30 or 2 hours 50) then the bus. From Sheffield the 218 every 30 minutes (journey 50 minutes) or the 257 every hour- a 90 minute journey, but routes via the plague village of Eyam.
From Chesterfield the hourly 170, journey 1 hour.
From Cambridge one of many connecting trains to Ely.

Via London it is 60/50 minutes from Ely/Cambridge to Kings Cross, cross the street to St Pancras, then 2 hours 10 every 30:minutes to Sheffield.

So not a lot of time difference.

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Question 3- Bakewell to Penrith- the hourly TransPeak bus to Buxton- 50 minutes, train to Manchester Pic every half hour, 60 minute journey, change, hourly train to Penrith on TPE (Glasgow or Edinburgh train)- journey 1 3/4 hours.

Taking longer you could take the every half hour 199 bus from Buxton to Manchester Airport for the Penrith train, or the hour!y 58 over the Cat and Fiddle to Macclesfield, train to Manchester, train to Penrith.
Or the hourly 61 to Glossop, half hourly train to Manchester, etc.

For scenery the Cat and Fiddle would be my first choice, followed closely by Glossop. For speed clearly train from Buxton.

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Maplady - Good question. I’ll check further.

Stuart. TY x2 Any further comment for the Trifecta?

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Penrith to Stratford is the hourly train to Birmingham New Street at about 20 minutes past the hour except 0920.

Out of New Street, 5 minutes walk down the road to Moor Street, train to Stratford- about 4 hours 30 minutes.

That is the route a through ticket will take you on.

However I believe the easier route is to get off the train from Penrith at Sandwell & Dudley, same platform change to a local train one stop to Smethwick Galton Bridge Low Level, up in the elevator to the High Level platforms, and board the Stratford train there.

Don't forget that you can buy a through train ticket from Keswick to anywhere, which includes the bus fare. Until the £3 fare cap ends in March 2027 that has no cost advantage (but will then), however it means that if the bus is delayed, you are entitled to take the next train even on an Advance Ticket.

Keswick to Stratford should be about £19.30 Advance Ticket, perhaps a shade less with a railcard.

When the fare cap ends then for the buses in Derbyshire, if taking 2 or more buses from Bakewell towards Penrith (via the Airport, Glossop or Macclesfield) buy a High Peak Buses Network Day ticket for £6 (a weekly ticket is £18)- https://www.highpeakbuses.com/home

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By the way in 3 weeks time I'm doing a return trip from Cumbria (60 miles beyond Penrith) to March (two stations before Ely).

I'm routing via Nuneaton (to do a personal favour for someone) on the way out, and via Birmingham on the way back (because the connection at Lancaster works a bit better) - so a longer (in miles, not time) more indirect route. I've paid (with a railcard) £23.25 on the way out, and £24.50 on the return- booked 6 weeks before travel. So that's a price indication for you. I would have paid the same kind of price booking 12 weeks out, as that is almost the lowest price there is.
I've just checked (for this post) and the outward is about £1 cheaper now than when I booked. The return is the same.

The route via Manchester would have been a very similar same price.