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Italy-Slovenia-Croatia Itinerary

Hello, folks!
This is my first post here, so apologies to all the pros if there's already something similar I missed.
My wife and me would be travelling Europe this November, 16 days, our flights are set - fly in to Milan, out from Milan too (Cheap tickets)

I know that it isn't enough time to really experience the culture or multiple cities but I think I'll take the chance on that. I've been trying to figure out how it would be financially feasible and possible to maximize our time there. We don’t wish to drive a car but prefer Trains\Buses.
So far, I've come up with the following Itinerary but I still need to plan out the details.

Milan-Venice-Bled-Zagreb-Split-Dubrovnik

I was thinking of getting a EUrail pass but I'm not sure if that is a financially a smart thing to do. Also, this itinerary may seem super extensive, but I'm really thinking that this can work.
Please, I really need some feedback. I would like to know if this is possible, and also any suggestions on how to make the itinerary better, more realistic, and also help with transportation within Europe. I'm pretty confident I would enjoy all of these places, but if you feel they are not suitable I would value your info/advice to make a better decision. I’ve been trying to lock down an itinerary but it seems rushed because we’ll have to get back to Milan.
I know it's a lot of maybes but that's why I'm posting in this forum. Most of our time would be in transit.
What is confirmed and can't be changed is the arrival and departure cities.
Flight connections from Croatia (Split\Zagreb) to Milan are expensive (due to winters, we’ll be having luggage also).

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As you have discovered, the end of your itinerary is the tricky part. November is off season there and transport is limited. Your best option I can find is to fly Vueling Airlines from Dubrovnik to Rome Fiumicino airport (FCO) then trains from FCO to Milan. Flights are inexpensive, bought now, but be sure to include your luggage fees when you bu the tickets.

Split to Dubrovnik is also limited. As far as I can tell, for November, Flixbus is the only option, but I could be wrong. Current bus time tables for other bus companies are not beyond 30 days from now. Ferry is definitely not operating in November.

I don't know what time you expect to land in Milan, but i would suggest you go straight from the airport to Venice. Not difficult, just the train from Malpensa to Milano Centrale, then change to a train to Venice. They run very frequently and are not so expensive that you can just buy tickets when you arrive.

Venice to Bled can be done with Go Opti Shuttle for a reasonable price. https://www.goopti.com/en/

There are direct trains from Lesce Bled to Zagreb, and there is a train every day from Zagreb to Split.

As far as luggage, please tr to limit yourselves to one carry-on size rolling suitcase (22 by 35 by 56 cm) and a small back pack. That will make life easy as you travel by airplane, train, bus.

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There are direct flights (can be quite cheap) between Venice and Dubrovnik in November but not daily. Personally, I'd try to build my itinerary around taking a direct flight one way or the other, whatever works on the days you happen to be arriving.

Ideally, I would start in Dubrovnik. Either train from Milan directly to Venice and spend a few nights there then fly to Dubrovnik and work your way north...or do it the other way around, if a direct flight works better for you that way. I assume you'll want/need at least the final night in Milan.

So...how many nights do you have total? Fifteen in Europe minus one in Milan? That's fourteen remaining. Let's say three nights in Venice so eleven for everything else.

Here's how I might do it:

Venice (3 nights)
Dubrovnik (2 nights)
Split (3 nights)
Plitvice Lakes National Park (1 night)
Zagreb (2 nights)
Ljubljana/Bled (3 nights)
Milan (1 night)

If the Venice - Dubrovnik flight timing (not every day) works better to fly back to Venice at the end and then train to Milan, then you can do it in reverse.

I added Ljubljana because, first of all, Bled in November might be raining and not much fun, especially without a car and second...Ljubljana is one of my favorite cities in Europe, why isn't it even on your list? ;-) Seriously, in November, I'd rather be based in Ljubljana and do a day trip to Bled, perhaps choosing the day based on the weather. It's easy to get by bus from Ljubljana to Bled; by train is doable if you love trains but less convenient. There is much more going on in Slovenia's capital city at night and museums to see in the day time if it's rainy.

Since it will be a long day to get to Milan at the end, three nights in Slovenia seems prudent.

You could move a night between Dubrovnik and Split based on day trip interests. Dubrovnik itself is small and may be crowded with cruise ship tourists, even in November. Split is more of a "real" city. Figure out what you want to do in each city and decide your itinerary based on that.

I added a night stop in Plitvice Lakes National Park, one of the highlights of Croatia, but I guess you could skip it. I wouldn't.

No, a EURail pass for this region would be a complete waste. You will barely be able to use the trains on my itinerary anyway. There is no rail between Split and Dubrovnik. There is a train between Split and Zagreb, between Zagreb and Ljubljana/Bled, between Slovenia and Italy, but you may wind up taking buses or shuttles instead, anyway. Plan your itinerary first and just buy individual bus, train, or ferry tickets as needed. Both Slovenia and Croatia have good bus systems but limited rail networks. You might catamaran between Split and Dubrovnik, but there is also regular, reliable direct bus service.

You might also consider renting a car in Croatia and maybe even another one in Slovenia. Driving is very easy in these countries and not expensive, generally, especially off season when you are going. A car would make it easier to get between Dubrovnik and Zagreb and allow you to stop in little towns and parks as desired. In Slovenia, you could detour to the town of Skofja Loka between Ljubljana and Bled by car; the scenic drive between Skofja Loka and Bled through the mountains (via Jamnik and Kropa) is spectacular. Maybe just rent a car for the day in Ljubljana. You'd probably want separate cars in Croatia and Slovenia to avoid a steep one-way drop fee.

It's all still doable without a car - by ferry, bus, and sometimes train.

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Sam
I think the word "thanks" is not enough for your advice.
I wanted to express my personal gratitude for the effort and time you have contributed in expressing your suggestion to the question.

Sir, as of now there are no direct flights between Dubrovnik to Rome Fiumicino (or reverse), I've been looking onto different portals but got nothing, not even direct flights from Venice-Dubrovnik or visa-versa.

Please do let me know that if we choose a ferry from Split to Ancona, is it a good idea?

We'll be reaching Milan on 07 Nov afternoon,
Returning home from Milan on 21 Nov afternoon.

Accordingly, website https://www.croatiaferries.com/split-ancona-ferry.htm#November
offers that a ferry could leave us Ancona on 18 Nov morning.
Can we plan this itinerary?

Or we should opt Dubrovnik to Bari ferry (https://booking.netferry.com/Booking/Accommodations).
Reaching Bari on 18 Nov.

I know I am asking questions again and again but please reply.

Many thanks.

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Andrew

Its amazing how easily you comprehend the travelling circuit, that too with such a simplicity.

I always like your posts.

Accordingly, Sir, I was also of the same opinion to book a direct flight from two far destinations but as I'm enquiring, there are no direct flights available between our travel dates.

The trip planning you've designed is perfect and Im thrilled to get your assistance in this matter.
Ljubljana was always on my mind but just didn't know how to make there.

Now, We'll be sticking to Ljubljana and a day-trip to Bled.
Yes, however dark and rainy and bleak Bled might be but we got to do it.
Dont know wether I'll return to Slovenia again or not, and so Bled will happen.

Now addressing the complicated part, how to make it without flights?
If we do not go for the ferries (maybe we can have one) Can we opt our return from Dubrovnik to Split - Rijeka - Trieste-Milan through trains?

Is it possible?

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If there is no direct flight between Venice and Dubrovnik either way during your entire trip period (you're sure - checked Google Flights?), then your other options are less efficient. It's not that they aren't doable, but they eat up more of your vacation time just traveling.

People have already suggested some of these options:
- Overnight ferry between Dubrovnik and Bari - train (probably) between Bari and Milan. Not sure if this ferry runs in November.
- Overnight ferry between Split and Ancona, Italy - train (probably) between Ancona and Milan. This one runs at least 2X a week in November - see https://www.croatiaferries.com/split-ancona-ferry.htm
- Train between Rome and Milan, flight between Rome and Dubrovnik
- Overland return - once you get to Dubrovnik, take the bus all the way back north to Trieste, train from there back to Milan. A stop on the way north would break up the long bus ride. This would take an extra day of your trip.
- Fly between Milan and Dubrovnik with a connection somewhere. This might not be cheap but might wind up being the fastest option vs. the long bus ride north from Dubrovnik.

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One would think there must be good public transportation between Italy and Croatia, but it's challenging even in high season. By November many options disappear completely, such as the ferries between Venice and Istria and seasonal flights. Unless you can find a flight between Italy and Dubrovnik or Split, I would encourage you to consider renting a car for the Croatia portion of your trip. I rented a car in Ljubljana, drove it into Croatia and returned it in Ljubljana, but you could also train to Zagreb and rent it there. The advantage of renting in Ljubljana is that you can take a shorter route to or from Croatia (i.e. you only have to visit Zagreb once). Driving in Slovenia and Croatia is very easy. Even if the ferries are running in November between Bari/Dubrovnik or Ancona/Split, it takes a long time to make those trips from Milan or Venice (up to a full day of travel and not cheap). I also agree with others that you should go directly to Venice upon arrival and save Milan for the end of your trip. If you decide to drive in Croatia, you might want to skip places to break up the drive south and then back north. For example, Plitvice then Dubrovnik then Split then Zagreb, or some such combinaton.