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"What's up with all of the old people?"

Raleigh, NC. Named after Sir Walter Raleigh, most famous for introducing tobacco to the world, so for those ready to report me there's your connection to Europe. In addition Peter Frampton, an Englishman from Bromley, is included.

With respect to Frank II, I will try to restrain myself from bloviating.

Raleigh is where Andy, Barney, Thelma Lou, and Helen Crump went for a big Saturday night. It is also famous for barbecue and is the capital of North Carolina. That's about it.

"Frampton Comes Alive" was the soundtrack for us high school goofballs in 1976. It was a requirement for suburban white boys to have this double-album to avoid having your lunch money stolen. (Side note: Not only did I have my lunch money stolen more than once, I was also unceremoniously shoved and confined into a locker at McKinley Junior High School. So yes, I bought the album.) First thought: Damn. These people are OLD. Many of the men appeared to be pregnant. Several 70-something women (I guess) were all dolled up like it was date night in 1976. In general it was NOT working for them. Revealing outfits? Hey, we're eating here. Reminds me of Leroy. Leroy Rochambeau, who saw me in Speedos one day and said, "Big Mike, no offense good buddy, but those things just ain't right on you." He rudely said I looked like Michael Phelps after a decade-long bender, and reminded me that Summersville Lake was not the French Riviera. Point? We're all different. Wear outfits that work for your body type. Spandex? Should be reserved for at best 5% of the population.

Where was I? At a Peter Frampton concert. Frampton has a muscle-wasting neurodegenerative disease. (I did not have to look up the word, thank you.) He thought his concert days were over in 2019, but since his fingers work fine he can play as brilliantly as always, imo, in 2023. What inspired me was how heartfelt the vibes were between a seated Frampton and his audience. He gingerly came onto the stage with a cane and when the crowd welcomed him so loudly and warmly, he feigned being blown away by a strong wind. His smile, good nature, and self-deprecation connected with the audience in such a charming way. His guitar virtuosity was sparkling and his voice clear and strong. Bottom line is that everyone seemed happy to have made it this far in their lives and are back together for maybe the last time. "We may never pass this way again," a song by Seals and Crofts comes to mind.

Finally, I want to say I love the genuine warmth of Southerners. From the police to event staff, everyone was polite, deferential, and kind. This suggestion that service workers and waitstaff can't be professional, congenial, and kind is nonsense. More than once I was asked, "Where ya'll from?" Nothing phony here. It's just the way people are.

So what's up with all of the old people? Look in the mirror. Be glad you're still around to be a part of them. But please, no short-shorts and revealing attire. In general, of course. It's been a long, strange trip, my friends.

Love and Peace--Mike

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Best advice I can give: If you & your family are still in Raleigh, get on I-40 to Wilmington/Wrightsville Beach, find a hotel room for the next several days, eat some seafood. Chill out for the 4th of July weekend. Corona is the beer of choice in Wrightsville Beach.

Or head to Kitty Hawk/Nags Head for several days. Same instructions.

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You triggered a memory of a blisteringly sunny all day show I attended at Eastern Michigan University in July 1975. Frampton was one of the opening acts for headliner Yes and his exciting show basically became "Frampton Comes Alive" the following year. I'm wondering how many of the attendees with aging skin now wish they hadn't removed their tops that day or how many of us wonder if the lasers Yes employed impacted our retinas since so many had seen their show quite often. I remember it with affection for Peter and mixed emotions about Yes as we lost Chris Squire 8 years ago and Alan White last year. That was also the last outdoor stadium concert at EMU as Yes' volume caused the residents of Ypsilanti to ban them.

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I lived in the Triangle for 12 years and still have a storage unit there. I'll be there in two weeks.

The people used to be even friendlier. But that's changing.

Since I am a TV sitcom trivia fanatic, I can tell you that Andy, Barney, Thelma Lou and Helen didn't go to Raleigh for a big Saturday night. They went to Mt. Pilot. It was named after Pilot Mountain.

Andy was originally from Mt. Airy and he sort of modeled Mayberry after that. It is too far from Raleigh to go for the evening. Andy, and Barney, did make trips to Raleigh but it was always overnight.

If you happen to go past the state Capital in Raleigh, there is a statue of Andy & Opie on the grounds near the front of the building.

As for Peter Frampton, I saw him at the Academy of Music in NYC in 1974. That tour led to the live album.

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NC in the house! I also have a storage facility just south of Raleigh. I’ll be there also in about 3 weeks with family. Attended West Millbrook Middle School back in the day. I’m also not young but not old.

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A little more trivia:
Andy Griffith lived (part of the time when not filming in California) in a home on the waterway (not the beach) in Manteo, N.C.
He attended the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and one of his first acting jobs was in a local pageant put on for tourists in Manteo, "The Lost Colony", a play about Roanoke Island telling the story of a group of colonists who vanished without a trace. He played the role of Sir Walter Raleigh.
Andy passed away at his home in Manteo several years ago.

The Lost Colony play still runs in Manteo. It's one of the "things to do" if you're heading to the northern beaches of N.C. on vacation and it's pretty good. You can buy tickets online. The open air theater is on the waterfront in Manteo.
Nearby are the Elizabethan Gardens, also worth a visit.

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Hi Mike -

I quite liked Frampton’s stuff, but I’m the one person on the planet who didn’t buy the ‘Comes Alive’ album. Nor did I half-inch a copy or get on (very) extended loan. Around that time I was more interested in the ‘bright young things’ of the ‘Bromley Contingent’ - the early hangers on to the Sex Pistols, the influential ‘punky wave’ group, who included the likes of Billy Idol and Siouxsie Sioux (plus Banshees). Those still with us are looking increasingly raddled these days.

Me? I’m still wondering who the old bloke is who stares back at me from the mirror every time I have a shave!

Ian

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Rebecca, yes, the Outer Banks is great for the beauty and isolation.

Silas, everyone has done some damage to their minds and bodies, with sunburn being just one culprit. Frampton admitted to being "high" through much of his early life, and I can't help but wonder if that has has an impact on him.

Ian, sadly Frampton was broke thanks to his crooked manager after "Frampton Comes Alive." Peter said he could have had him jailed. Of course the frequent touring has been lucrative and all is well more or less.

Rebecca, I've read that Andy Griffith was not Andy Taylor, which confused people who met him and could be a little taciturn at times. Don Knotts was not like Barney Fife at all, but was apparently more relaxed with his celebrity status.

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Betty Lynn, who played Thelma Lou, retired to Mt. Airy, NC.

Francis Bavier, who played Aunt Bee, retired to Siler City, NC.

Neither was a native of NC.

Enough Andy Griffith trivia. Back to travel.

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stan, I hope the fan was compensated in some way, although having Peter Frampton use your guitar is reward enough.

Frampton also had to buy back his "Frampton Comes Alive" drum kit from Ebay. He joked that it was "a lot more expensive" the second time.

Ahem, as for travel, have we overlooked Bromley as a travel stop?

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BigMike, I'm not sure what there is to see in Bromley that is linked to the old days of rock and roll there, but maybe Ian can guide you.
The birthplace of Frampton is Beckenham, a town within the London Borough (and wider area) of Bromley.
I'm not sure if there's a house there where he grew up or what there is to see.

Have you been to see Abbey Road Studios, London, where the Beatles recorded?
Paul McCartney's house is a couple of blocks from there.

Getting it back to travel, I highly recommend the following areas for a vacation (as mentioned in my above posts):
Wilmington/Wrightsville Beach
Kitty Hawk/Nags Head
Outer Banks of N.C.
Town of Manteo
The Lost Colony play by the waterfront, Manteo
The Elizabethan Gardens, Manteo

It's not Europe, but it sure is nice and relaxing there.

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Raleigh also makes fine bicycles. The company is English, so there’s another Europe connection.

Speaking of England, there was this band that pre-dated the 1970’s, and two of them are now, arguably, “Old People.” But Ringo and Paul are vibrant, and much closer to the best 5% than the worst 5%.

George made it into this century, and John, who didn’t get to become an Old Person, sang, “Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git!

Glad that Peter Frampton’s digital dexterity continues, unabated. Very few dudes from 1976 likely have hair as long (or plentiful) now, as then.

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BigMike, I wonder how those school thugs/bullies/jerks who stole lunch money and pushed people around are doing, these days? I truly hope they got their due. Karma’s a b**ch.

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Rebecca, I've been to the Abbey Road crossing twice, but have never been in Abbey Studios, which would be magical.

I didn't know Paul McCartney had a house near the crosswalk. If I had known I would have walked by and gawked at it like a typical hayseed tourist. I have been by his offices at McCartney Productions Limited (MPL).

The best Beatles thing to do is the National Trust tours of their homes in Liverpool.

Cyn, Paul and Ringo are fitness and diet nuts, so that explains their current vitality. As for Frampton, he did make fun of his lack of hair. Back in the 70s he surely had the golden rock god look.

Travel. Avoid massive tourism spots like Virginia Beach or Myrtle Beach unless you like wall-to-wall humanity. The Outer Banks is great but can be expensive. I need to check out Wrightsville Beach.

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BigMike, the Rick Steves guidebook even lists Sir Paul’s address up in St. John’s Wood, just beyond the Abbey Road studios (and adjacent zebra crossing). Rick asks that anyone visiting please be discreet. i wonder if Paul glances out his windows and sees lots of folks carrying blue and yellow paperback books?

Wrightsville Beach … any flights there?

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Hey BigMike,
7 Cavendish Avenue. Walking distance to Abbey Road Studios. The house looks pretty much like the other houses in the neighborhood, which is one of the most expensive in London.
Most all of the gated driveways have two Ferraris, a Lamborghini and a Porsche or Mercedes parked there.
Unclear whether Paul still lives in the house. One rumor says one of his daughters (Stella) lives there.
St. Johns Wood is an interesting neighborhood to walk every street in, and take a look at the houses, shops and pubs.
St. Johns Wood tube station is serviced by the Jubilee line.
Abbey Road Studios--you can't go in the actual recording studios, but next door is the gift shop where you can buy cool stuff. I know, bummer that you can't go into the studios.

"The best Beatles thing to do is the National Trust tours of their homes in Liverpool."
Thanks for that tip!

In London, London Walks Company has several Beatles walks.
https://www.walks.com/
https://www.walks.com/popular-walks/beatles/
Their walks are all great.

Cyn, Wrightville Beach--flights probably go into nearby Wilmington, then you'd rent a car to get to the beach, or take a cab there. There are several good hotels, one is The Blockade Runner, on the oceanfront.
One might be able to spend a week there with only a rental bike to get around. The island is not really large.
There should be house/cottage rentals there through the local real estate companies or VRBO.

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Big Mike, I asked the same question, “What’s up with all of the old people?” When looking at pictures of my high school reunion……..

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Carol, do you like your picture? Mine is pure 1979 senior picture cringe. I was going for a look somewhere between Paul McCartney and Peter Frampton. Fail.

Cyn. It's no sin to be Cyn. I'd guess you would fly into Raleigh! Or as Rebecca said Wilmington. Whichever is cheaper, I guess.

Rebecca, too late now to pay Paul a visit. His loss, I'm sure. I've heard he's great at putting people at ease who are excited or nervous in his presence. Also, Peter Frampton lives in Nashville. We did the London Beatles walk and it was a little underwhelming, imo. Part of it was the tour guide seemed like he was in a hurry to finish up and be somewhere else.

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Mike, I think you're right...it would be Raleigh.

P.S. Best time to go to Wilmington: spring or mid-fall. The rates are better for hotels and cottage rentals.
The weather is better than summer. (June is OK but expensive.)
(Do not go during "dog days" July and August. Too hot + tons of mosquitoes when you get out of the breeze on the beach)
The one drawback to going in the fall......possible hurricanes.

Sorry to hear that the Beatles walk you took was underwhelming! I guess it depends on which guide you get? I'm surprised he didn't take you here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_Avenue

https://www.beatlesbible.com/1965/04/13/paul-mccartney-buys-7-cavendish-avenue-london/

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The post topic reminded me of when we would ask my 80 year old grandmother how the senior church functions were that she attended. She would always complain there was too many old people-even as she was one of them! Thanks for putting a smile on my face.

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BigMike and Rebecca, I’d just figured that Wrightsville Beach was somehow related to the Wright brothers, so there might have once been a significant flight nearby, although not long-haul by any means.

I now see that Wrightsville Beach is a very long distance from Kitty Hawk, so Wrightsville isn’t linked with Orville and Wilbur.

For the record, here’s what Wikipedia says:

The town bears the name of Joshua G. Wright of Wilmington (1842-1890), who developed a local realtor company.

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I've lived in NC for over 20 years & just this past May visited Wrightsville Beach. It was terrific! I'm not big on crowds so that time of year was great. The North & South ends were fantastic. I actually didn't spend much time in the middle where more people are.

May brings sea birds from points further South to rest, nest & later raise their young. Being a novice bird watcher it was terrific! I also got to help with a green sea turtle rescue. I didn't do much except help give it shade while the turtle patrol waited for the rescue transport to take the turtle to the Karen Beasley Turtle Hospital. A wonderful organization not far away.

Also in this area are some outstanding restaurants. I didn't even go into Wilmington which is a definite food town.

I too had Frampton Comes Alive. I believe one of my older brothers borrowed it & never gave it back. It's a good one!

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RSers Mike Beebe and BethFL already know about it, but my wife and I recently created a London TR that includes not only the usual suspects topic-wise but also, a TON of classic rock and more (Radiohead references , Porcupine Tree hilarities). Satisfaction guaranteed.
Its linked below. I go by 'zebec' over on Fodors.
https://www.fodors.com/community/europe/back-to-brick-london-tr-w-fotos-1715655/

I'm a rock historian. Frampton was apparently once taught by David Bowie's schoolteacher dad. Poor Pete was ripped off by rock industry sharks. He saw less of his earnings than one might imagine. A groupie's memoir treated Pete rather cruelly, with private revelations. Btw, pretty sure that Macca spends more time in NYC than in London nowadays. And poor Yes member Alan White was trotted out to tap a smallish drum kit beside his younger protégé during the recent final Yes tour. White had health issues and his (pathetic) appearance came towards the end of concerts.
I am done. The end.

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gregglamarsh, thank you for the interesting back story of these guys.

Frampton comes across on stage today as such a genuinely nice guy with a great sense of humor. He's clearly thankful he can still perform, albeit sitting down. He was quite appreciative of his audience.

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"Btw, pretty sure that Macca spends more time in NYC than in London nowadays."

He has a huge house on the beach in The Hamptons, out on Long Island, complete with recording studios. His neighbors frequently complain about the loud music coming from his house.
Several houses away lives friend Billy Joel.

When he's in England, he spends time at his country home near the south coast, not far from the historic towns of Hastings and Battle.

He also has a home in Scotland where his video "Mull Of Kintyre" was filmed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plhtk_XJqhM

The rumor is he has a farm outside of Nashville, TN.
The McCartney family ranch is in Tucson, Arizona.

There are a lot of places he spends time, I would think, besides London.

An exclusive interview with Paul McCartney about his new book 'EYES OF THE STORM' featuring his photographs from 63/64 with the Beatles - and a new Exhibition at the National Portrait Gallery in London.
From "CBS Sunday Morning":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3iGuYikiRQ

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He has a huge house on the beach in The Hamptons, out on Long Island, complete with recording studios. His neighbors frequently complain about the loud music coming from his house

Quite some time ago, I heard about Neil Young setting up huge speakers on a farm somewhere (in Canada?), and inviting a musician friend over to hear the results. Some of the sound system was installed in the barn, other speakers elsewhere. He sat outside, in the middle of the array, and cranked up the music. Unsatisfied with the initial result, he remarked, “It needs more barn.”

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I got my grad degree at UNC-CH, met my wife there, got married in CH, and have a lot of affection for the area. Glad that I do not live there now. I will be returning in Oct to donate all my professional books to my grad department at UNC. Once you retire, have 60-70 books on statistics is just another huge dead tree in your garage.