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I am recommending this Japan trip if you like small groups and walking

I have seen a number of requests for recommendations for tour companies for Japan, so I thought I might mention one we know and like, and will be joining this November.

https://www.mtsobek.com/trips/asia/japan/japan-kumano-kodo-walking/

Like RS tours, they do not try to cover the whole country, but only a selected small part. A deep dive into the culture and history of a rural area, with an introduction to bustling cities (Osaka and Kyoto) at the start and end. Unlike RS tours, they take only a few people—-the maximum is 12, but the previous tour we did with MT So ek had only 7 people plus the guide. It was almost like a personal tour. With only 8 people at the table, the group meals were like a gathering of friends. And the food itself was amazing. I don’t know how the little mountain inns manage to produce such a variety of delicious dishes.

This tour includes a pilgrimage path with a fair bit of easy walking each day (2-7 miles), with overnights in traditional country inns that a Westerner, especially a first-time visitor to Japan, would be unlikely to find on one’s own. This means tatami mats and futons on the floor for sleeping, but they are very comfortable.

On our last trip, the mountain inns all had onsen (hot baths) where one could enjoy a nice relaxing soak at the end of each day, and provided yukata to wear to dinner. (My husband never did adopt that custom, but others in the group did). I expect the same of this tour and look forward to this.

The trip we are signed up for is the last of the season, in late November. I chose this date because it will coincide with the height of fall color, which we so much enjoyed on our last visit. It is spectacular to see, and the best way to enjoy and appreciate the beauty of the countryside and the grounds of the temples and shrines. I do not like to share my photos on the internet, but you can get an idea of the beauty from websites such as these:

https://www.insidekyoto.com/autumn-colors-in-kyoto

https://blog.japanwondertravel.com/best-spots-for-autumn-leaves-in-kyoto-11437

We are going a few days early to have more time to spend in and around Kyoto. This city is quite easy to manage on one’s own even for first-time visitors.

I am surprised the trip has not filled yet, but then realized that the departure date is Nov. 22, one day before American Thanksgiving. But the timing of the flights and the crossing of the Date Line means one can depart Japan on that day and arrive home in the US the same day. That way you wouldn’t miss Thanksgiving, although you probably wouldn’t want to be the one hosting dinner.

Flights from the West Coast cities to Tokyo and Osaka are about the same length as direct flights to Europe—-9 or 10 hours.

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Thanks for the info Lola. We’re looking to visit Japan in 2025 and just received their brochure in the mail. Going to look more closely at their tours. I was researching InsideJapan and SamuraiTours for possible trips also.

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Bookmarked! Thanks so much for the recommendation. Hoping to go to Japan in 2024. Have seen some online 2- and 3-week do-it-yourself tours that look pretty daunting in terms of moving from place to place.

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The trip we did with MT Sobek in 2019 was not my first time in Japan. My son and I went in 1998 to visit and stay with friends for 2 weeks over Christmas and New Years. That trip was fun and interesting, but I did not not get nearly as much out of it as I did the MT a Sobek trip. The latter was much more of a cultural and educational immersion, as we stayed in small inns that we would never have found or considered 20 years before. And we had unique experiences arranged by our guide, including a special sake tasting one day, and a Shinto travelers’’ blessing ceremony on the penultimate day of our tour.

My sister and her family did the same pilgrimage path (Kumano Kodo) as an independent trip organized by one of the Japanese tourism websites, and they felt there was much they did not not understand because of language/communication problems with the inn hosts. There we nice moments but sometimes they floundered.

The big cities are easier, because the signage in the train stations and elsewhere is in English as well as Japanese,Mandy city hotels anre well set up to welcome visitors and provide excellent accommodation. And people are very kind and helpful. But to get out of the cities to experience the beauty, serenity, and wonderful small moments Japan has to offer, I recommend a mix of a small group immersive experience like this, followed by more time in Kyoto or other location on one’s own, bolstered by what you have learned on the tour in terms of getting around. I would recommend this approach over a standard group tour of the country with 24 others, where you are shuttled from place to place to see the major attractions with the crowds, maybe stopping for an arranged tea ceremony or other “experience”.

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Thank you so much for gifting that NYT article! I saw it in my news feed, but I cannot open NYT articles on my own.

For anyone interested in the Shikoku pilgrimage path, a small company we livery much guides that in sections ( 3 trips total) in small groups ( up to 12 or 14).

https://www.mountainhikingholidays.com/

We hiked in the Dolomites with them last September, and were very happy with the trip, the guides, and everything else. They did not list their trip for November until recently, well after we committed to the MTS trip, but I look forward to doing a section of the Shinkoku with them in 2024.

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Those trips are horrendously expensive. I'm doing two weeks in Japan in October and my whole budget, airfare included, is only $3400. Japan is so easy to travel on your own, you really don't need a tour company.

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Astorienne, some people can afford more expensive tours and also like to have the decisions made for them, rather than doing a lot of research. I understand that - it does get tiring, especially the older you get. :) I've been doing independent travel for most of my life, but am getting ready to book a tour to Egypt in 18 months, as I do not feel comfortable maneuvering my way over there on my own, and to be honest, I really don't want to do it. I would like to have others do the work and I don't mind paying extra. :)

That said, Japan is on my list and I will probably go the independent route for that. But I've been to Japan - in fact I was there for 2 years in the late 70's so I'm more familiar with it than some.

Different strokes... :)

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A guided trip is always going to be more expensive than an independent one. You paying for the service, the expertise, the knowledge and help of the guides, and more. We happily travel independently in Switzerland, Italy, New Zealand, and other places at considerably less than half the cost of a guided trip. But for a meaningful experience in this part of Japan, well off the normal westerner tourist path, we prefer the benefits of a guide.

This is an inn to inn walking tour in a remote area where few people speak English and the signage may be only in Japanese. My sister and her family did the Kumano Kodo pilgrimage path on their own, with inns booked through the Japanese tourist agency, and detailed walking instructions. They felt they missed a lot in terms of the cultural experience, and wasted a lot of time trying to figure out some things that were not clear. So she said she wished they had done a guided trip, and advised us to go that route.

After seeing a number of posts asking for recommendations on guided tours for Japan, I thought I should mention an alternative to the standard RS-style group tour.

On our last guided trip in Japan, we enjoyed some special experiences arranged by our guide which would not have been possible on our own. One was a special travelers’ blessing ceremony at the Shinto shrine we were visiting in Tokyo. Another was an impromptu singing performance by the elderly proprietor of a small soba noodle shop were we stopped for lunch. Our guide explained that he was nationally recognized for his singing of traditional Japanese woodcutter’s songs. After lunch she asked him he would sing for us, and he responded right away with a big smile and a beautiful song.

I agree that for the standard tourist path, Japan is easy to plan independently. We will be combining the 8 guided days with 10 more on our own, in Kyoto, Naoshima, and one other spot as yet to be determined. We are totally comfortable with that, and I enjoy doing the research on where to stay, where to eat, what to see, and how to get around.

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We (3 couples) visited Egypt, Jordan, and Israel this past March with a private guide booked through a tour company. There is no way we would have been able to do that trip on our own, and I’ve planned all our trips the past 5 years.
What was an advantage, besides the obvious, was that we were able to change some day’s activities in the morning with no problem. One exampke was in Israel late one afternoon, the guide told us that Bethlehem was open for visitors but we had to be there before 5pm. We said let’s go, the driver turned around, and we were on our way. If we were alone we would not have gotten there, heck, we wouldn’t have even heard it was open to vusitors.
So, yes, you can travel Independently anywhere in the world, but for some of us it’s not practical.