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Guided Tours in China

We've just finished our first Rick Steves tour (Switzerland). This was my first ever 'group tour' and I really enjoyed it. As a result, we are now wanting to plan a 'group tour' to China, and would like to know if anyone can recommend a reputable tour company that would offer something like a 'Rick Steves Tour' experience - group size, hotel quality, tour guide quality, etc.

I did a search of this forum and found one relevant topic - https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/beyond-europe/china-tours - from 2019. In that thread, the companies mentioned are "Laurus Travel" (out of Vancouver, BC), "China Advocates" (renamed to "Asia Sublime") out of SF, "Asia Trans Pacific", "Vantage World Travel" (out of Boston), "Alexander & Roberts", and "Imprint Tours". I will investigate each of these and see if they are still in operation, but would love to hear about any experience with these, or other companies.

Obviously a China tour will be a different experience (presumably less free time, more guidance, more reliance on modern hotels, etc) but would like to find a reliable, reputable company that others have experienced.

Thanks for any suggestions and feedback!

PS we don't have strong opinions on itineraries other than, we'd like to visit Tibet, Xian, and Chengdu (and of course Beijing). A 2-3 week duration would be ideal.

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We did a 3 week great tour of China in 2012 with Vantage World Travel. However, I understand Vantage is out of business now.

We didn't go to Tibet and frankly, I am glad we didn't go there.
You want to definitely see The Great Wall, Being, Xian, Shanghi, do a short Yangzee River cruise, Guilin and also visit the one day river cruise with all the amazing Karst formations. Further, visit Hong Kong.

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I agree with geovagriffith on the list of destinations in China, but I’m not sure that you will find one tour that would cover all of them in 2-3 weeks. It’s a really big country! I have been to China six times, volunteering in Kunming (Yunnan Province - a very interesting and beautiful part of the country), and then traveling independently to a variety of locations and I still haven’t made it to Shanghai, Chengdu or Xi’an (although I’m headed to Xi’an in October).

I often hire private guides for my independent travels. This can be very affordable in China and gives you lots of flexibility. One private guide I used in Guilin before the pandemic was Wendy Wei and she was excellent. Her website is https://www.wendyweitours.com/. She has obviously branched out quite a bit since then, now offering tours in many places, both for multiple days and day tours. I’m guessing she no longer conducts all the tours herself! (Maybe China’s Rick Steves in the making?)

For group tours conducted by American companies you could look at Gate 1’s China tour (I recommend sticking with their “small group” version). National Geographic also has a tour in China. You could also look at other well-regarded companies like OAT (Overseas Adventure Travel) or Odysseys Unlimited. They have not resumed China tours since the pandemic but you could keep an eye on them.

I have also heard very good things from other travelers about Wild China: https://wildchina.com/. They offer many different group and private tours.

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You mentioned Imprint Tours, which is owned by a former Rick Steves guide. The tours are run very much like RS. I have not been on any of the China tours, but I’ve done 5-6 Imprint tours and enjoyed them. They are still very much in operation.

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Look at Gate 1 tour offerings. Their Discovery tours are very close to Rick Steves with limited size.

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Regarding tour length and coverage, we did a heritage tour of China in 2017 and visited Beijing, Chengdu, Xian, Guilin / Li River, our daughter’s native province, and Shanghai over a span of just under 3 weeks. It was hectic but we saw quite a bit. Good luck with your trip!

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Thanks for all the very helpful replies! I will read more about all the suggested operators - thanks!

I was very excited to find the Imprint Tours information, and they have what looks like a great itinerary - https://imprinttours.com/tours/china - everything we wanted except Tibet. We are considering adding Tibet as a 'one-off' visit before joining the Imprint tour.

The biggest concern about the Imprint Tour is that there's only one date in 2025 - Sept 16 to 29 - and the weather looks to be HOT at that time (over 80F in most locations in Sept); we'd much prefer an October / November visit, or early spring visit (we're getting tired of visiting places where the temperature is over 80F - we've had a few 'melting' tours in Rome, Sicily, Thailand, Vietnam, etc recently and the heat just ruins the experience). Our Switzerland tour was almost perfect weather - 50s and 60s most days. We may just bite the bullet and go for it anyways, as the overall package looks great. Further - I see no more China options on the upcoming schedule.

One question for those who have traveled in China - the 'Imprint Tours' itinerary includes an overnight train from Beijing to Xian (which sounds great). The details say "Overnight Train - Soft sleeper class (4 to a cabin)". What should we interpret from the '4 to a cabin' reference? We are both light sleepers, and I get up to pee several times a night; having 2 strangers in the 'cabin' might make it a sleepless night. I suppose it could be no different from a long-haul international flight where you are trying to catch some rest while surrounded by dozens of people, but it doesn't sound too appealing.

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I really like OAT but they do not currently offer China.

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If you’re on a tour, most likely the people sharing the soft sleeper car with you will be fellow tour members.

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The downside of smaller tour companies like Imprint is that they offer limited date options. I assume this is due to their desire to offer many different itineraries with limited guide availability. They also have a more limited clientele and would be concerned about filling up a lot of tours. Large companies like Rick Steves, Gate 1, and OAT obviously have greater resources and are able to offer multiple dates.

I think you would be sharing the train compartment with other members of your tour - no longer strangers after only a few days! However, whenever I see that a tour is staying in accommodations other than a hotel or guesthouse, I pretty much resign myself to having a restless night and just focus on the good parts of the experience. For instance, a lot of people love overnighting on boats in Halong Bay or the Kerala Backwaters. I’ve done both — and I was glad to get to the hotel following those experiences (although I loved the scenery!).

China is an amazing country so I hope you find something that suits you!

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We took a GAdventure tour of China 12 years ago. We enjoyed it very much. It's very much like a RS tour. There is a maximum of 14 participants. Our group had 4 British, 4 Aussies, 1 Belgian, and us 2 Americans. They do attract younger people, though 3 were in our 60s and 2 were in their 70s. They use a lot of public transportation, and the tour guide teaches you how to use it, also.

We had the overnight train from Xian to Shanghai. I believe there were 6 to our room in bunk beds. We allowed those who needed the bottom bunk to do so. Some of us shared the bunk beds with locals. There were squat toilets on the train. And many families were cooking their dinners in the train. Our guide brought dinners and breakfast onto the train.

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"I really like OAT but they do not currently offer China."

Before I saw your comment, a neighbor also recommended OAT, and I found this:
https://www.oattravel.com/trips/land-adventures/asia/chinas-imperial-cities-natural-splendor-modern-marvels/2021/itineraries?icid=fyasearch_trippanel_triplink

"New! China’s Imperial Cities, Natural Splendor & Modern Marvels"

Basically, a 21 day trip to China! They also offer a 5 day extension to Tibet, which is what we really want. So now I'm going to research this some more.

They offer Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Sep, Oct, Nov departures in 2026.

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Not sure if this could work for you, its a tour company that has offices in the UK and Australia, I did a Japan trip with them last year and they were great (22 on my trip, 5 from the UK and 17 from Australia). And I have a tour booked to China next year with them

Their UK website is - https://www.wendywutours.co.uk (The tours shown on this website will indicate prices in UK£ and this prices would assume the cost of economy flights UK/China.)

If the tours were of interest, it may be worth an email to see if they could work with you. I know on my trip, when i rang they were very helpful in sorting out specific flight arrangements, All of us on the trip had different flight arrangements to assorted airports in the UK and Australia, some of us had add-ons to the main trip to Hone Kong, South Korea, or extra days in Japan etc, and they sorted all the arrangements out, so may be worth asking. (Or may be possible to do a "land only" trip and you sort out your own flights),

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Thank you, I stand corrected about OAT. That is a brand new one, looks interesting.

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For those who have used OAT before, how would you 'compare and contrast' them with a Rick Steves tour?

The relevant 'features' of the RS tour, for us, were as follows:
1) Great group of people - seemed to be an intelligent, well-traveled crowd, and not one person mentioned politics, which was welcomed at the current moment. I described them as a 'typical PBS crowd'!
2) Good group size - 28 people is at the upper limit of what I think is 'good', but the coach we had seated 50 so we were able to spread out nicely on the coach. I see that the OAT trip in China is 'maximum 16 people'. That sounds good in many ways (better than RS), but - it may also imply a 'large minivan' vs a big motor-coach, which would ironically be more crowded.
3) Great guide. Our guide was fantastic (Nico).
4) Great itinerary. Nothing felt like a waste of time, everything seemed well-chosen.
5) Mostly good 'events' - we had a visit to a chocolate factory, a dairy farm, and others that were interesting and informative. We had one 'event' related to yodeling which was pure torture but it didn't last too long.
6) Nice mix of group meals and personal meals. Roughly, ever other night was 'free time' to find a restaurant on our own, interspersed with 'group meals'. The group meals were 'quite good' (always a challenge to feed 28 people at once). In China, I've heard that it's difficult to order on your own outside of major hotels (my partner went to China with her Chinese friend (speaks but does not read Chinese), and even she could not figure out how to order (her dialect was inappropriate for the location) so more 'group meals' are likely on the cards, which would be fine.
7) Luggage is your own responsibility. I actually liked the fact that you haul your own luggage to/from the coach. I've been on excursions where you have to put your luggage outside your room by 10pm, and I hate it. But I'm probably in a minority on this one.
8) Good hotels. Some were better than others, but all were 'acceptable'. The locations were always great (VERY central, walking-distance to everything) - which I imagine is a signature of Rick Steves tours.
9) Pricing seemed appropriate. This one is a tough one to compare, as I expect China is on the one-had relatively cheap, but then, they are having to cater to a 'western visitor' which may make options limited.

I'm not expecting to 'replicate' the RS tour exactly, but it would be interesting to hear how my list above compares to an OAT experience.

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Some good questions, which I’ll answer from the opposite perspective of an OAT veteran who hasn’t done an RS tour.
1. Same. The typical PBS viewer is a good analogy, and such people’s politics tend to lean one way too, which is mine as well. There were voluntary political discussions among individuals at times but nothing forced or uncomfortable.

2. Better with OAT. 16 is their standard maximum. Some are smaller based on demand for that particular departure or last minute cancellations. Plenty of room on good sized buses except in unusual circumstances like going to a small village on a narrow road.
3-5 Same. Great guides. OAT has certain experience types such as “controversial topic”, “day in the life” and “home hosted dinner” which are common across their trips but of course specific to the particular destination. They are good at these
6 Same. Looks like China trip has 12 included dinners and 11 lunches across 18 days, plus of course breakfast every day, which is pretty typical for an OAT trip.. You won’t starve on your “dinner on your own” nights. The guides are very helpful with recs and assistance and hotels are almost always near a good variety of restaurants or there is at least a decent hotel restaurant.
7. Prefer OAT. It’s good to have your luggage handled. And it’s not required: if you really want to haul it yourself they won’t stop you!
8. OAT’s hotels are top notch as a rule, often the best and most central in town.

9. I think OAT trips are very good value. I especially like the fact that the price includes the international air (although you can buy just the land only tour if you want) and the broad availability of single spots on most departures with no surcharge.

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Thanks for the info on OAT! OAT is looking good. Regarding the 16 people max issue; as I said, 16 sounds better than 28, but with 16 people, surely they aren't going to put you on a big 50-seater coach? What size vehicle do they use? What I'm not keen on is a 'large minivan' type of deal which would be filled by 16 people. On the RS tour, everyone got their own 'two seat' row to themselves. It was a big coach, with massive windows and great views.

I mentioned 'Alexander and Roberts' above, as a tour company mentioned in an earlier thread here on RS. I finally tracked them down, and they offer an interesting itinerary - Historical China, Tibet + the Yangtze - https://partners.alexanderroberts.com/destination/asia/china/historical-china-tibet-yangtze-2025.aspx#itinerary . This looks to be a good itinerary for us, and it includes Tibet in the base package. Now, for 16 days, they want over $9,000 per person and I see they put people up at the Ritz Carlton in Xian, the Peninsula in Beijing, the Shangri-La in Lhasa, etc - so I can see how they would be pricey.

Alexander and Roberts, 16 days, $10,000 vs OAT, 26 days (after adding on the Tibet extension), $8,600 (again, including the Tibet extension). So A&R is about double; and that's before we consider that OAT seem to include international flights, while A&R may or may not (can't confirm today). Summary:

A&R – 16 days, approx. $10,000 each = $625/day (may NOT include the international airfare – need to confirm)
OAT – 26 days, approx. $8,600 each = $330/day (DOES include international airfare, as far as I can see)

So anyone have any thoughts about A&R?

EDIT TO ADD:

an OAT veteran who hasn’t done an RS tour.

May I ask - why are you on the RS forum if you've not done an RS tour? Is it because the RS forum is simply a good general-purpose 'travel' forum? I presume there's no better place to discuss the ins-and-outs of OAT tours, or group tours in general?

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Chris,
I don't understand your questioning someone using this forum who hasn't been on an RS tour. I have never taken a "Rick Steves only" tour forum. Generally we all use it to give, seek out, and accept advice, hints, suggestions, recommendations and support from other travelers. Please don't feel it necessary to limit the discussions to only tours. Independent travel is popular with many, many travelers. I have occasionally been on tours with different companies, and traveled independently most of the time, and have benefitted from using the forum in both instances. Thank goodness for the generous contributions of the forum members. I am grateful for their help.

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Thank you Judy, I didn’t much appreciate that either after providing a lot of detailed info about what I do know (OAT) with appropriate disclaimer about RS tours, but I’ll chalk it up to this person’s inexperience with the forum.

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My sincere apologies - I did not at all intend to suggest there was anything wrong with your use of the forum; I was simply curious as to 'why', and I offered my own theory, which was, that this was simply the best forum for independent travel. When I first used the forum, I assumed it was for RS 'users' only, but obviously not, and I really appreciate the fact that people are willing and able to offer information about 'other' travel options. I thought at first that maybe I was pushing my luck, asking about non RS-tours but clearly this is a 'broad' forum and I'm thankful for that. As the 'new kid on the block' here, it would be totally inappropriate for me to criticize the use of the forum by long-standing members who have contributed hundreds or thousands of posts. Again - sorry it came across that way.

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Chris,

No problem. Welcome to the forum. I hope you get as much information and enjoyment here as I do. I love reading about others' travels and learning from them.

Don't be shy about asking questions or giving your opinion or advice. We alllopve tyo talk about trips and traveling!

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I have taken four OAT trips (Laos/Myanmar, Morocco, Vietnam and Tunisia). The buses were always quite large (maybe not 50-person) and most, if not all, had a seat to themselves. I travel solo and never had to share a seat on any of these tours.

The new OAT trip to China looks like a really good itinerary. I notice it also offers an optional post-trip to Tibet.

Road Scholar is another company to look at. They are offering several different tours to China and sometimes Tibet. I took a tour of India with them and it was excellent, quite similar to OAT. Their groups can vary in size quite a bit, but I believe some are marked “small group” and they are limited to 22 or so. My group was 18. We had a very large bus. Here are their China tours: https://www.roadscholar.org/find-an-adventure?countries=China%20%28including%20Tibet%29

I’m not familiar with Alexander and Robert, but it sounds like a very high-end company. China is a pretty cheap place to travel (I’ve been there six times), so they must be going very deluxe. It could be a great experience, but unlikely to be anything like a Rick Steves tour (I’ve done 10 of those).

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There is such a wealth of advice generously shared on the RS Forum! I have learned so much over the years and in return try to share responses if I think they may be as helpful.
Alexander and Roberts, for example- thank you! (I have been researching Patagonia and Easter Island and looking at many operators listed in this thread, as well as Intrepid (have you checked their itineraries?). A&R has an option that includes both including an air transfer that was proving challenging for me to solve.)
I will add that geopolitics has more recently been a factor in my planning, if it's many months away. I feel fortunate to have been to Russia and Ukraine, for example. And Israel, where as a solo traveler I had a genuinely scary incident when a day tour went awry.
The comfort and safety of arrangements and myself (!) being cared for has become a priority at the (literal) expense of reputable group travel. The RS Forum is a huge piece of my travel planning, so very grateful to its existence and to those who share their knowledge!
Happy travels!

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Road Scholar is another company to look at. They are offering several
different tours to China and sometimes Tibet. I took a tour of India
with them and it was excellent, quite similar to OAT. Their groups can
vary in size quite a bit, but I believe some are marked “small group”
and they are limited to 22 or so. My group was 18. We had a very large
bus. Here are their China tours:
https://www.roadscholar.org/find-an-adventure?countries=China%20%28including%20Tibet%29

OMG - Road Scholar! I'd forgotten about them! I met a lovely couple on a river cruise 2 years ago, and they were describing to me a lovely tour they'd been on with Road Scholar ... so yet another avenue to pursue! We were almost set on booking the OAT trip, but now we have another option to look at - thanks!

EDIT TO ADD - WOW - they have some great looking itineraries! This one in particular:

The Best of China: Imperial Capitals, Tibet and the Yangtze River - https://www.roadscholar.org/find-an-adventure/19406/The-Best-of-China-Imperial-Capitals-Tibet-and-the-Yangtze-River .

21 days, including Tibet, is around the duration we were hoping for (compared to the 26 days OAT tour if you add in the Tibet extension). Also, they have availability this year (Oct/Nov) which is when we were originally hoping to go (we want to be sure of cooler weather, so Oct/Nov is appealing).

The price - at $5,600 plus airfare (so call it $7,000) is quite similar to the OAT tour. So now we need to review the two itineraries and decide which one suits us better.

Does anyone have any comparative opinions of OAT vs Road Scholar? I see Road Scholar group sizes are '13-24' - which we are comfortable with, again assuming the coaches are large.

THANKS AGAIN for this pointer - I can't believe we have so many good options so quickly!

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To Judy and Slate -

Again, I apologize for the way my post came across. Sometimes, what you type doesn't reflect what's in your head!

Where my mind was going with that line of thinking was as follows. In my previous travel planning, I've always made extensive use of 'google search' and the results almost invariably land on either 'Trip Adviser' or 'Reddit'. I had never come across the RS forums at all. It was only after booking the RS tour that I became aware of this gold-mine of information. 'Trip Adviser' and 'Reddit' can be useful sources of information, but sometimes the experience can be disappointing.

So having found this RS forum, when the discussion turned to details of OAT, I was wondering - does OAT operate a 'user-to-user' forum like RS, where it might be more appropriate to ask detailed questions about specific OAT tours? So my question to 'Slate' was really along the lines of - 'is there an OAT forum where it would be more appropriate for me to ask detailed questions about OAT tours' (and not burden RS users with such details). Since Slate has taken several OAT tours, and no RS tours, that would tend to suggest that OAT either does NOT have a user-to-user forum, OR, not a good one! Anyway - that's where my head was going when I asked the question. Now I know - RS is the place to be :) . I can't believe I never came across it before.

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Since you are also looking at Road Scholar, there are a couple of FB pages that are Road Scholar related - Women of Road Scholar and Friends of Road Scholar. They may be useful for getting feedback on the tours RS offers in those areas. They have some "discussion forums" which are just for people who have already signed up for a specific tour but based on feedback on the FB pages they are not much used (as were their old discussion forums which have gone by the wayside).

For context I've done 12 Rick Steves tours (was on Nico's first RS tour where he was an assistant!) and 13 Road Scholar tours.

Do look carefully at the # of people on the Road Scholar tours as they do have some 30+ person tours. I've not looked at their tours to Asia but just wanted to throw that out there. Their activity levels are pretty accurate in my estimation.

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chris (with apologies to Slate and Judy), I understood your question about feedback from OAT alumni. (I have taken tours with no one, so maybe that colored my understanding.)

We get new people here on the forum occasionally who think Rick or staff answer the questions, which isn’t unreasonable when you think about it. We have discussed how lucky we all are that the Rick Steves organization supports this site that is actually more focused on independent travel help. But really, anything goes (except unsolicited guide reviews from new posters and spam). Ha! We even get a Beyond Europe space to talk about places like China!

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Thank you Chris, appreciate the clarification of what you meant. OAT does solicit very detailed feedback from their travelers shortly after their return and they post some of their reviews (abridged) on their site for a particular trip, but they have nothing like the unique RS forum. Agree that TripAdvisor forums can be very helpful and they are extensive (sometimes overwhelmingly so) but vary in quality quite a bit by destination. The old Lonely Planet “Thorn Tree” was good but alas now long defunct.

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Not related to the original subject of China, but since we've been discussing 'different tour operators', I wondered if anyone was aware of the Rick Steves 'My Way' tours? Someone told me about them recently but I'd completely forgotten about them.

https://www.ricksteves.com/tours/my-way-tours

Meanwhile, I'm still hoping to get some comparisons between 'OAT' and 'Road Scholar' tours.

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Chris, There are several references to My Way tours throughout the forum. I have never done one, but several people have and have written about them here. Put "my way tours" in the above search box, then filter for Travel Forum and for 6 months and newer. Several discussions will pop up.

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I have done four OAT trips (Myanmar/Laos, Morocco, Vietnam, Tunisia) and one Road Scholar trip (India, including both north and south India). Really, I found them very similar. RS is non-profit and bills itself as “educational.” The tour guide even referred to us as “Scholars” rather than “Travelers!” But OAT also has an educational component. For instance, they both included activities such as discussions with experts. I especially liked the sessions we had discussing women’s experiences in Tunisia (OAT) and India (RS). Both companies included opportunities such as meals with local families or visits to craft workshops, farms and factories.

The trip leader can make or break a tour. All of the guides were quite good (with the possible exception of the Morocco guide who was somewhat mediocre, but still got the job done). They were knowledgeable, friendly, kind and eager to help their travelers have a good experience. My experience, however, is that Rick Steves guides are even better! If Rick Steves offers a tour in a location I want to visit, I choose Rick Steves every time. (I’ve done 10 Rick Steves tours.)

Group size is important to me. Frankly, Rick Steves groups of up to 28 is pushing it! OAT limits all of its land tours to 16. Road Scholar offers a variety of sizes. Their “small group” tours are limited to the mid-20’s, I believe. My RS India tour had 18, but the guide said that several people had cancelled last minute. There is one downside to very small groups, If there are several people traveling together (for instance, three couples who are friends), they can be a bit of a clique. This is more of a problem in a smaller group. But I have always found friendly and interesting people in every group I’ve traveled with.

It’s hard to generalize with only one Road Scholar trip under my belt, but it seems to me that some of OAT’s travelers were a bit more…..shall I say…..demanding than the RS travelers - complaining that we were having too much Asian food in Myanmar, for instance, or getting upset when (understandable) changes needed to be made to the itinerary. Rick Steve’s’ “No Grumps” policy seems to work! Certainly not everyone was that way. There were lovely, easy going people on all my trips.

There were many well-traveled people on all these trips - but, of course, you would probably expect that when traveling to more off-the-beaten track destinations like Tunisia or Myanmar or southern India. There were many travelers with each company who were extremely loyal to that company - 20 or more trips with that particular company!

Both companies seem to have itineraries that move a bit slower than Rick Steves trips - many two, three, or even four-night stays. I like the slower pace and the chance to become a bit more familiar with a location. Both companies do a good job in providing pre-trip information that was helpful.

Both companies will arrange airfare. I always do a bit of research on flights and costs from my home airport before talking with the tour company. If they have a comparable itinerary at a reasonable cost, I use them. Other times I have booked my own flights because I can do better and don’t mind organizing my own airport transfers.

One difference is the tipping policy. OAT expects you to tip the trip leader (usually suggesting the equivalent of $10-12 per day per person) while including all other tips. Road Scholar includes tips for everyone, including the trip leader, but some people still tip the leader. The policy isn’t made quite as clear as Rick Steves makes it so there is some confusion. I prefer a no-tipping policy, but wouldn’t write off a company that expects tips since that’s the norm across much of the travel industry.

In the end, I choose a trip based on a careful comparison of the itineraries, available dates, group size, airfares, etc. That’s why I’ve traveled with several different companies rather than sticking with one.

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Renee - that is amazingly helpful information! Thank you so much.

It sounds like Road Scholar and OAT are close enough that they are both good candidates for any given destination.

For our upcoming China trip, we will give both serious consideration. OAT don't do their China trips until 2026, while RS has some in 2025. If we do OAT, it will end up being a longer visit than if we go with RS, which may be good or may be bad. We need to really look at the two itineraries in detail.

Thanks again for the detailed comparisons! Lots to consider.

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Since my last post here, I've learned of two more group travel companies that sound interesting, and I'd be curious to know if anyone has heard of them and has an opinion to share.

Odysseys Unlimited - https://www.odysseys-unlimited.com/odysseys-advantage/

They don't have a China offering currently, but a friend of mine used them for a trip to Japan some time ago and had great things to say about them. Looking at their Switzerland option, and comparing it to our recent very successful Rick Steves Tour experience, the price seems a bit higher (though their prices do include airfare). They claim their hotels are 'First Class' or 'Superior First Class'; a quick review of some of the actual hotels suggests much more elaborate accommodations.

The other tour group I learned about was Jensen McKay tours; they have a China option - https://www.jensenmckaytours.com/china . It's shockingly cheap! The same friend who recommended 'Odysseys Unlimited' also used Jensen McKay and said they were very good, despite being very cheap.

Anyone heard of either of these? I guess I could start a new thread at this point, on the general subject of tour operators!