California closes bars

Sadly I grew up there. Truly along with New York -- among the most oppressive and collectivist-minded states in the Union

Sadly the restrictions on the over 65 are being seen as a suggestion and not a mandate. Unfortunately people march to their own drum. Common sense is lost!

Sadly the restrictions on the over 65 are being seen as a suggestion and not a mandate.

Not sure what that means. The restrictions are not being seen as a suggestion, IT IS IN FACT a suggestion or "advisement". And it is spectacular advice. Something that should have been encouraged a few weeks ago. I don't know enough about law to understand if the Governor has the authority to lock people in their houses.

We left CA after 30 years to be closer to family, but have been changed ( for the better) forever because of those life experiences.
Our CA experience is what made me realize that my Christian “ walk” is more important than the “ talk”. Making policies that protect the most vulnerable in society is what my ( and probably all) religion professes.
I am over 65. And I love a good bar. Now is the time to protect everyone. You. Me. The owner of the bar. The people who serve me those drinks.
CA leads the way in making sure that will happen.

OMD as a valley girl would say.
No, No, No.
California HAS NOT closed bars etc.
The governor asked that folks over 65 stay home, restaurants reduce seating etc.
The State of California has NOT closed businesses nor restricted those over 65.
Serious issues abound, but we do not need scare tactic thread headlines.

Apologies OFB. 😏
I was a (Central )Valley Girl. Very different eh?

more states also

Thank you, TravelingMom :-)

TravelingMom—LOL
Clearly serious issues ahead. And folks need to “think”...what we do not need are Panic Headlines that are inaccurate. That can start panic, and that doesn’t do anyone any good.

OK, I am a California native and over 65 -- will be leaving home tomorrow to see the dentist because a cap fell out this afternoon. Other than that, we have food and books and DVDs to keep us occupied at home in line with the "guidelines" (not mandates) from the governor's office.

Very Good watch

https://youtu.be/-727K585amo

One of my younger friends was in a bar today and was told to hurry up and finish her beer because the bar is closing until further notice.
Since the Governor of CA did not “mandate or order an edict “ the closure of bars and 65 and older to stay in their homes, people will do as they please.

Some bars will close and others won’t. He goes on to say he expected people to comply.

Well, I have friends over 65 who have no intention of staying home. People are going to march to their own drum.

I’m over 65, healthy but I’m staying in.
Time will tell what will transpire in the coming weeks.

They will dance to their own drum.

We haven't done a perfect job by any means, but we don't have anything to be ashamed of either. In Western Europe the only country that looks as good is Germany. One of the reasons may be that our Governors and Mayors have enough control and authority to take care of issues at a grass roots level. Also could be the quality of our health care. Or maybe the Feds are just doing mostly the right thing at the right time. Don't know, but it seems to be having good results.

The governor cannot order people over 65 to stay indoors just because of their age. He can definitely suggest it. And it is a good suggestion. Only under a quarantine order, or civil unrest, can a governor order someone indoors. What's going to happen if a healthy 66 year old leaves the house to go to the grocery. Are cops going to arrest him?

The order is voluntary and should be heeded as much as possible. I'm not 65, nor am I in California, but I'm limiting my errands to the supermarket, pharmacy and to get my mail. I go grocery shopping about once a week. Yes, it's boring being inside this much but I'd rather lower my odds of getting sick.

I do have a domestic trip in two weeks that I wanted to get out of but the law in the state where I am going would have to change to allow me to skip it. So I have no choice.

I think it is much too early to say whether the results are "good" or "bad" (however you chose to quantify that.) The graph of total cases across time for the USA so far fairly closely mirrors the other nations that are in the top 10 of total cases (excluding China.)

The next week will be telling--over that same time period (starting at roughly 3,000 total cases), South Korea and Italy had very different trajectories. Fingers crossed the rest of us are more the former than the later.

From Gov.Newsom:

Indeed, the governor admitted, the closure of bars and reduced seating at restaurants is, as of now, voluntary. But, he reminded residents, the potential to enforce the measure is only a signature away.

So, we will see how this goes.

Eric, ultimately you are correct. But I looked at some numbers tonight that give me hope and make me glad I am here in the US.

I am 78 and I just drove 250 miles to stay with my brother who lives alone and has just had heart surgery, If I lived in CA I would tell the Gov where he could stick his "stay at home" requirements. No, there is no one younger to stay with my brother.

Bob the order did not apply to you raving to go stay with your brother do put down your pitch fork and torch.

Millionstopennies- very amusing - my father in law left Virginia to live in LA- then eventually left USA to live in Canada . He said he’d never go back to Virginia.

Pat ---- I agree with you wholeheartedly. I just recently moved out of Virginia to West Virginia. Much better state, with greater liberties.

By the way, I inherited a 1400 sqft house in San Rafael, Ca, in 2018, that was used as rental for 25 years. The floor joists underneath the kitchen cabinets were rotten through the hangers.

I sold that house last year " as is " for 970k and bought 121 acre farm/orchard in WV, with an 1845 Stone home with 14-inch thick quarryed Stone walls, and still have almost 300k left over.

California is a really great place, Pat......let me tell ya 🥴😂

CA's days as a "really great place" are 25 years in the past. The state will be tested as never before in the next 60 days. Stay safe, folks, wash your hands and DO NOT SHAKE HANDS.

@250-mile-Bob: I think Gov Newsom would make an exception in your case. I don't expect you and your brother will be out late whereever he lives.

I have been following this very closely as I have daily medical appointments for the next 3 weeks. I have listen to what he said during the press conference and what the press reports him him saying when he was asked for clarification. Right now, those people who are 65 are strongly suggested to self quarantine but it is not law. He said he has the power to make mandatory, if the situation warrants it. I seriously doubt that he would have that power. Granted, people who are over 65 are at much greater risk including myself, but the difficulty in getting us food and medical supplies and doctor visits that have to occur in facilities would make this almost impossible to enforce. Think about cancer treatments, dialysis, etc that require seniors to leave the house. Many senior’s contacts are only other seniors. Who are going to look after them?

I think medical appointments, pharmacy visits, grocery store, and certain work situations would be exempted.

Well, maybe soon they will force us all home, like the government did in Italy, where you can only go grocery shopping, to the pharmacy, to the doctor, or to work. And if they can do it in Italy, under threat of a simple fine, they can do it in the US where the police has no qualms about shooting at people. The “raison d’etat” comes before Americans’ illusion that we were born free.

But look at the positive side. Our grandfathers were ordered by the government to embrace a rifle and go to war. We will be ordered to sit on a sofa and watch TV all day. Who got it worse, really?

Definitely a deceptive headline in the post, using the word "restricts."

Curiously, what would such a SUGGESTION do to the state of Florida, with its high population of retirees???

I'm a "young" senior in CA, and I intend to spend my time outside, on the golf course. Due to the "Social Distancing" deficiencies of my golf game, if my playing partners are on the fairway , I'll be VERY far apart from them!

Wishing all the best of health.

I listened carefully to Governor Newsom’s press conference today and even though I believe he is working seriously to slow the virus’s spread I sure had a hard time following his wordy, convoluted speech. Just give me a clear, more consise message. I think they said more details would be coming out on Tuesday which might clarify his recent directives.

We CA natives are a hardy lot.

I’m over 65 and still working although the nature of my job allows to choose when to work and when not to.

Had a gig that I was to start tomorrow. 2-3 weeks of work.

After listening to the Governor I re-evaluated.

Called my colleague and told him I wasn’t taking the job. He respected my decision.

I’m at peace.

This is a shortened version of a post I made in another thread:

New York Times

https://nyti.ms/2w1vRKE

Excerpt:
Dr. Mecher and other researchers studied deaths during that [1918 ] pandemic a century ago, comparing the experiences of various cities, including what were then America’s third- and fourth-largest, Philadelphia and St Louis. In October of that year Dr. Rupert Blue, America’s surgeon general, urged local authorities to “close all public gathering places if their community is threatened with the epidemic,”
...
The mayor of St. Louis quickly took that advice, closing for several weeks “theaters, moving picture shows, schools, pool and billiard halls, Sunday schools, cabarets, lodges, societies, public funerals, open air meetings, dance halls and conventions until further notice.” The death rate rose, but stayed relatively flat over that autumn.

By contrast, Philadelphia took none of those measures; the epidemic there had started before Dr. Blue’s warning. Its death rate skyrocketed. [Comparison chart in original article link.]
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Libertarianism aside, one of the main issues isn’t simply reducing the death rate, it’s trying to hold hospital utilization below the maximum capacity. Civilization is a legitimate function of government.

Since none of us know what we are talking about, the run on toilet paper being perfect evidence of that, I think the best advice is at a minimum do exactly what the government tells you to do, and at a maximum do what gives you the most comfort that does not impact your fellow man. Most of all, pull together, be positive, and leave the judgmental attitude at home.

I contacted almost all my friends and family members in Italy this weekend. When I told them that in America it is virtually impossible to find toilet paper at any price, they all laughed. They also offered to send some rolls from Italy, where everything is available except for masks and sanitizer (which Italians have learned how to make at home using “Everclear” 95% alcohol for liquors, glycerin, and boiled water). If there is a virologist here I would like to know the antiviral properties of toilet paper.

I'm using straight tequila; externally and internally.

Sorry, in my state you could not get your tequila as they have closed all the state stores. Yes, that is the only place you can get liquor.

Oh hell, that would be the last straw for me!! I would be heading for Canada!!!!

Tequila doesnt contain a high enough % alcohol. Sorry James. Everclear has the highest %, which is why people are using it for this purpose (because what other purpose would one use it for? Certainly not drinking!)

I think the TP hoarding is Freudian (or is it Jungian), and certainly Maslow-ian: people would rather starve than face their own sh**

As for the recommendations: I am on the front lines. As someone married to an ER doctor, and as someone who was hospitalized for flu-turned-pneumonia as an "otherwise healthy 42 yo" and almost died (30% mortality rate + several complications), I am privy to the experts and information that the ER doctors are turning to and the conversations they are having. I am also aware of how our illusions of security about being "healthy" and "never get[ting] sick" and "not worried about myself", and all the other illusions, can be made meaningless. With all this, I think the recommendations are trickling in and are conservative. I would much prefer the response prove overkill in hindsight, given what I know about what the front-line folks are saying amongst themselves, and what I know can happen to anyone, totally at random