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how to arrange this travel?

Hi there,

My wife and I are planning our first trip to Europe. We have booked a cruise which starts in Florida and ends in Barcelona, and later another cruise which begins in Athens and ends in Athens.

Between the two cruises, we are going to have 6 full days in Barcelona, and we want to spend some of the time to visit three other cities: Valencia, Madrid, and Lisbon. However, we are not sure how to do this from Barcelona. Of course, first we will stay in Barcelona for two days, but then should we visit Valencia, then move on to Madrid and to Lisbon, in that order? Or should we come back to Barcelona after visiting each city? We have two big suitcases and it would be a hassle to drag them around, but wasting time back and froth is also something we try to avoid . Also, what is the best way to travel - by train, air or renting a car?

Thanks!

Posted by
11551 posts

Lisbon is not easily accessed from Spain by land. It is best to fly. Seems odd but that is the way it is.
Perhaps by bus too.

Posted by
486 posts

I have not travelled to Spain nor Portugual. However, I have had several trips across the pond from the US. This sounds like an extremely ambitious, if not unrealistic plan.

Am I understanding correctly that the 2 days in Barcelona are part of a total 6 days (Is this 5 nights?) you have between the cruises?

Do you leave Barcelona for Athens? Is that within the 6 days? What time of day? I think it makes sense to be in your city of departure the night before your cruise leaves. (disclosure: I have never been on a cruise, but it would be a shame if transportation issues had you stuck in another city as your flight took off.

What do you hope to do in each city? A city tour, meal, sleep and then move on to the next city? It seems to me that you only have one night for each city. Transit to and from will eat up a lot of your 6 days.

If I had the limited time I believe you have, I would take a train to Madrid or Valencia and enjoy a few days there before returning to Barcelona (or leaving that city) for flight to Athens.

Another idea: I see it takes almost 4 hours by transit or car from Barcelona to Valencia. Without study, I don't know the towns between the two cities, but I imagine it would be nice to visit towns and villages along the coast en route. Rent a car in Barcelona. Drive to Valencia, visiting (staying?) in a villages along the way.

Posted by
4867 posts

I would not want to insert an extra flight into this itinerary, presumably you will already be flying to Athens.
Barcelona and Valencia would be plenty with 6 days, and you could even drive between them if you wanted to see some smaller places/scenery. But for the cities themselves, train service would be the way to go.
You can fly to Athens nonstop form BCN, not from Valencia, so you could return to BCN for your onward travel and store your large luggage and just take a smaller bag to Valencia. I would save Lisbon for sure.

Posted by
11829 posts

Do you have to fly to Athens from Barcelona?

A one way car rental is going to have an ugly drop fee. Driving r/t from & back to Barcelona is at least 1600 miles in your 6 days. Lots of driving and not so much "being there" . Train service between Spain-Portugal is limited and cumbersome.

It might make for a more enjoyable trip to do Barcelona, Valencia and Madrid ( use trains) and fly to Athens from Madrid

My $0.02.

Posted by
1004 posts

6 full days in Barcelona with also Valencia, Madrid, and Lisbon. That is a full plate. Too full. That is 1 1/2 days each place. Plus the travel between. Even dropping Lisbon leaves you two days each of three cities, but there is the travel between. I sense a big FOMO here. Plus seems you are cruisers. Meaning that your usual is probably just single days in a port. Those six days probably seem to you to be a whole lot of time. It’s not.
Approx train times between Barcelona Madrid is 2+ hours. Same between Madrid and Valencia. Then Valencia back to Barcelona is 3 hours. You need to do some research on your own with your ideas in mind. The above is a triangle.
You would need travel time and finding your hotel, checking in, dropping your bag and wandering until check in time. You probably are not used to that mode as opposed to cruising. You will be inefficient. Your time in each place will be only one full day/two nights.
FOMO is rampant on these forums as you can see by so many proposed itineraries and the help they ask for. You can go many places in a certain timeframe. It is possible, but it is a flash deal. Then again, your style may be OK with that.

Posted by
8161 posts

6 days, forget traveling to Lisbon. Even going to Madrid or Valencia will take up lots of time, especially driving a car.

You only have five full days since you would need to return to Barcelona the day before your next cruise.

You could easily spend those days in Barcelona, then visiting Monseratt and Girona.

Posted by
1061 posts

Train from Barcelona to Valencia is about 3 hours; to Madrid 2.5 hours. They're easy. Don't understand the naysaying. Lisbon, though, is another matter.

Posted by
2568 posts

Do you have days in Athens after your cruise ? If not, then split the 6 days 3 each in Barcelona and Athens. If you do already have Athens days scheduled, choose 1 of the other cities and split evenly with Barcelona. I would choose Madrid

Posted by
3 posts

I want to thank everyone for your valuable comments and suggestions!!

We are going to scale back the plan and visit only two cities, Barcelona and Madrid in the 6 days. We are going to visit Athens after our second cruise (which starts and ends in Athens), which will give us plenty of time.
Again, thanks for all the advices you guys have given!

Posted by
687 posts

Forget Portugal - but consider Seville and Granada - you can get there in a day by high speed train. Also Girona is short day trip from Barcelona

Posted by
6713 posts

Good Plan B! Barcelona and Madrid, fly to Athens from there, spend more time in Athens after the second cruise. The train from Barcelona to Madrid is easy and fast. Plenty to do in both cities for the time you have. Assume you will return to Spain for the rest.

Posted by
304 posts

Just to wrap my head around the question...it goes like this:

  1. Florida -> Barcelona transatlantic cruise;
  2. Barcelona for six days;
  3. Several (many, I hope) more days each for Valencia, Madrid, and Lisbon;
  4. Flight (hopefully) from BCN to Athens for next cruise.

I hope #3 is accurate. IOW you have a nice chunk of time for (at least) Madrid and Lisbon. Valencia is beautiful and lovely to visit, but Madrid and Lisbon - to me - require several days each especially if making the effort to travel there from Barcelona.

If I was wrong about there being a large gap of days between arriving at BCN and needing to be in Athens, I would absolutely not try to squeeze that itinerary in. When we flew to BCN last year, we flew TAP which was routed through Lisbon. I'd consider that - cruise -> BCN (several days) -> fly to LIS (several days) -> fly to Athens -> cruise -> fly home. Maybe an open jaws with multiple legs.

Posted by
7653 posts

Madrid is a day trip by train from Barcelona- with the speed of the trains and low fares maybe even two day trips.

Likewise Valencia is a (very long, but not to me a stupidly long) day trip by train. I know this forum says 2 hr max train trip- I am a European and just do not understand that limit.

So Day 1 Barcelona, Day 2 Madrid day trip, Day 3 Barcelona (or spare Madrid day), Day 4 Valencia day trip, Day 5 spare day in Barcelona- Or if easyjet or TAP have an early flight to Lisbon squeeze in Lisbon.
Day 6- if there is an evening flight on Aegean or Easyjet fly Lisbon to Athens- with luck you get a day and a bit in Lisbon.

Yes it is fast paced, not ideal, but if it is what YOU want to do that is how I would look at doing it. You will have time on the 2nd cruise to recover your breath from your Iberian itinerary.

Lisbon does seem an outlier. Sure all three city visits are taster visits for future longer ones, so be it.

If adding Lisbon I plan for efficiency- find a hotel by a metro stop in the city centre, then you can drop your luggage straight off at the hotel and start with a planned, scripted day as you would on an independent port call. Assuming you are used (as I am) to doing independent port days. I don't do either ship or private tours on port days.

With an early flight I would be expecting to be starting my Lisbon day by no later than 10am. And then if there is an evening flight I should have until about 4pm until I collect my bags and return to the airport.

Posted by
4727 posts

Apologies, I think not everyone read your updated decision (which sounds like a good way to proceed and not get toohectic). Have fun!

Posted by
7653 posts

TTM is right- I didn't see that mid thread. I was seeing a lot of negativity and trying to inject a can do (but not ideal) vibe into the thread. Trying to work with your (original) ideal itinerary.
Sorry.